Close pokerstars and install the update

Yup, it's updated and on Country tags now.

It seems to me it can make it much easier. Cheats learn how to become better cheaters. If the have access to multiple bank accounts to set up many new accounts, they are going to start looking at other city names and put "Boston" and "Nottingham" in the city field. Now you know if multiple Chinese players are at table regardless of their city.

Collusion, if it is real, should be recognizable by pattern. These guys can have 500 different accounts and keep changing them hour-by-hour. This way, if you see a pattern associated with a country, you should be able to make a compelling enough case for investigation.

Couldnt say it better myself. Listening is spot on for this one. And I agree, the country tags seem to be better.

This last few days I've played mostly PStars, 10/20 and up Stud Hi and Stud8, I haven't noticed any of the old Chinese names, nor anything out of line yet. I will obviously report any HH if something comes up.

I play the stars stud/razz games and hadn't really thought about this until I got money back from full tilt last year. I hadn't really noticed anything that I could point to, but acknowledge there could be something there.

So my thought is that you need a simple method using a large data set and I was thinking something like this.

Based on your vpip there is a rate that could be used that would indicate the normal amount of times you will get involved in a pot with another player,call this your cohabit pot rate(CPR), and obviously this would take a reasonable sample to converge to statistical significance. So if certain players are sharing dead hole card data or collectively ganging up on someone else you should find that their cohabit pot rate would be above the normal rate for players with the vpip's that they have. If you found this to be significant for 2 players you could look at their bet/raise stats vs call stats in their cohabited pots vs non cohabited pots and you would find again that their aggression was above the normal rate that you would expect.

So I think you need two tables of exported excel table data first to decide where to look, and then you'd need to look at specific hands between players that look abnormal.

So you'd need total hands played, vpip, frequency of loss $ to /frequency of $ won first exported from your perspective, then if you found above normal rates you'd need to look at bet %+raise % in cohabited pots vs their normal bet%+raise % data from those players perspective.

I might be wrong so chime in if you see an error in reasoning here.

One error might be that I, a random non-colluder, might more willing to get involved in a hand with a known idiot who is prone to playing KJ8 rainbow. I would then be cohabiting a lot more pots with that idiot than I would with a random user. At the same time, that random idiot would (unintentionally) be cohabiting more pots with someone like me than with someone who doesn't know them.

Perhaps stud players should team up, play remotely on multiple accounts and farm the weak gold farmers.

But that would be cheating. So I wouldn't suggest that.

Just started playing again after a 6 month hiatus.

When I was moving up the limits in Stud Hi, I was table selecting pretty heavily and found on most nights I wasn't playing because the tables at 3/6 and up were loaded with Chinese players. I watched some games at the higher limits and decided I wanted no part of a "Fuzhou 3-way".

Note my avatar.

I've played with with a couple at 1/2 once and would give a HH but I don't think it would be much help.

does anyone know who tezeric is?

i think i have a bunch of 100/200 stud hands from 3 handed and 4 handed games with these fuzhou players from last year. if you guys are going to do a big investigation and want the hands ill find them and send them.

i have just requested my hand histories from pokerstars and will spend some time sorting the stud folders,is someone taking a keen interest in putting a case together??

I don't have any hands to contribute but I'd be happy to help in whatever way possible. If that means combing through hand histories I'd be willing to do that. If we got people's money back I think that'd be pretty sweet.

Ok, I'll head this up if no one else will. If there is a way to just export the hands that these guys were in from PTS then you can email them to me and I'll try to put something together. Now, I have a full time job and a 1 year old so it may take a little time but I'd be willing to at least start.

I'm pretty sure this would be accounted for in their vpip stats . I could see pfr%/3betting and player type having an effect now that I think about it because you're going to be able to play more hands if someone limps or cold calls more pre-flop or believe you have implied odds against an overly showdown bound opponent. I'm going to try this for 50 or so players that I have a fair number hands with.

I wouldn't give out hands to anyone who hasn't outlined what they are going to do with them and demonstrated some knowledge with population statistics. Otherwise I think there are some who will always seek to confirm their belief that if they are losing they must be being cheated and not be able to turn the hands into an actual case against cheaters or an absence of any evidence of significant cheating.

http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1171587
does this hand look suspect?,seat 1 is listed as china and seat 3 is germany but plays very much like a fozhou

I haven't played Stud on Stars ever, but why would you fold there? Both of their hands are dead. It looks to me like they didn't think you had KK and were trying to get the pot HU w/ dead money. Sorry if I'm way off on this.

sorry you seem not to fully understand the post,im not looking for critic were talking about collusion and im wondering if this hand is suspect

Results? Two kings hit on fifth, maybe they didn't believe you. I'd be concerned if one of them folded sixth.

they had buried 99 and buried jj

My bad, I understand the thread and probably should have finished my thoughts better. In seat 1s shoes I am reraising any wired TT+ on 5th. So IMO, this hand is standard and not collusion.

The only reason to boycott "PokerStars" ... better known as JokerStars is that it really suck... Not only reward each ***** moron and the worst draw worst hand ... but not they chat banned me for 3 hours to have written in the chat..."fk this room" ... wtf those idiots!!!

Haha agree...you can have all the outs in the world against a guy playing K86 in razz and be way behind but win...and no matter how many outs a guy has, it's always the case card or 2 out card, not the other 15 outs to hit that creates the most action...weird.

[x] confirmed rogged

Plus there's cheaters. Let's just quit online poker, you guys with me?

Quit??....that's just silly

STOP ... not it was enought.... CASHOUT EVERYTHING ... 300$ left to play some micro. I have a top job, cool girlfriend, top life ... why should i get everytime upset because a ****ing son of a b. has to be lucky each ****ing hand against me ... just 2 unreal months.

ADIOS JOKERSTARS!!! MY POKER CAREER IS FINISH!!!

THANK YOU FOR TONIGHT ... STOP WASTING MY TIME!!!