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Old 06-26-2017, 01:08 AM   #1
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7th street, all cards dealt face up

7 card stud hi-low game, heads up going to 7th street, the dealer accidentally dealt both cards face up. Which of these should happen?

A. Either player can bet as usual.
B. Either player has the option of being treated as all in and showing down while calling no further bets.
C. There is no more betting.
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Old 06-26-2017, 01:40 AM   #2
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Re: 7th street, all cards dealt face up

I've had this happen to me before (only 1 player exposed) and I think the standard ruling is both players are allowed to bet as normal
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Old 06-26-2017, 02:07 AM   #3
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Re: 7th street, all cards dealt face up

Fire the dealer? Seriously this is a terrifying mistake that should happen no more than once in a dealing career. It's borderline suspicious.
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Old 06-26-2017, 02:25 AM   #4
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Fire the dealer? Seriously this is a terrifying mistake that should happen no more than once in a dealing career. It's borderline suspicious.
I don't think it's that uncommon, especially when stud is an unusual game in the room. I've seen it happen twice in the last 3 days, at two different rooms in Las Vegas.
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Old 06-26-2017, 02:28 AM   #5
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I don't think it's that uncommon, especially when stud is an unusual game in the room. I've seen it happen twice in the last 3 days, at two different rooms in Las Vegas.
I've seen the attempt to spread a flop a few times. I haven't seen this. Dealers have an audition process where they have to deal all the games. I can't even figure-out what's going through the dealer's head. It's not as though you deal two rivers up in hold'em.
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Old 06-26-2017, 05:55 AM   #6
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Re: 7th street, all cards dealt face up

The rule is that the betting is as usual with the leader from 6th street still having the lead
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Old 06-26-2017, 09:44 AM   #7
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In my experience the player(s) with the exposed 7th street card(s) have the option(s) to be all-in.


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Old 06-26-2017, 04:15 PM   #8
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In my experience the player(s) with the exposed 7th street card(s) have the option(s) to be all-in.


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This is a last resort when only the second card is up.
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Old 06-26-2017, 06:13 PM   #9
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Re: 7th street, all cards dealt face up

I have seen a single face-up river where the player was declared all-in. But two, that's like sleeping through the shift.
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Old 06-26-2017, 06:25 PM   #10
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Re: 7th street, all cards dealt face up

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The rule is that the betting is as usual with the leader from 6th street still having the lead
This is what I believed the rule to be as well, but my opponent was sure there was no more betting allowed, so we called the floor. The floorperson said there would be no more betting. So I lose $24 dollars, along with the tiny bit of respect I had left for the dealers, floorpeople, and general management of the Orleans. Bleh.

The same thing happened Friday at the 6/12 mixed game at Ballys, but I wasn't one of the players involved, and no one bothered to call the floor, I think the dealer and two players just figured that betting was still allowed, but they may have both checked anyway.
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Old 06-27-2017, 12:38 AM   #11
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Re: 7th street, all cards dealt face up

It's a bad situation no doubt. But, here's the rule according to Robert's Rules of Poker Etiquette.

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17. If the dealer turns the last card faceup to any player, the hand now high on the board using all the upcards will start the action. The following rules apply to the dealing of cards:

(a) If there are more than two players, all remaining players receive their last card facedown. A player whose last card is faceup has the option of declaring all-in (before betting action starts).

(b) If there are only two players remaining and the first player's final downcard is dealt faceup, the second player's final downcard will also be dealt faceup, and the betting proceeds as normal. In the event the first player's final card is dealt facedown and the opponent's final card is dealt faceup, the player with the faceup final card has the option of declaring all-in (before betting action starts).
So, mistakes happen, but the mistake is the dealer's only.
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Old 06-27-2017, 02:40 AM   #12
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Re: 7th street, all cards dealt face up

But what happened here was situation B - both players downcards were dealt faceup, so it says "the betting proceeds as normal".

Situation A is worded vaguely, but it is referring to a situation where some players receive their cards facedown. If mine had been facedown and his faceup, he is at a disadvantage, so he definitely should have had the right to face no more betting.
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Old 06-27-2017, 06:57 AM   #13
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But what happened here was situation B - both players downcards were dealt faceup, so it says "the betting proceeds as normal".

Situation A is worded vaguely, but it is referring to a situation where some players receive their cards facedown. If mine had been facedown and his faceup, he is at a disadvantage, so he definitely should have had the right to face no more betting.
Yeah, you are correct. They ****ed-up.
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Old 06-28-2017, 01:43 AM   #14
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Re: 7th street, all cards dealt face up

Betting as normal. If one was dealt face up and next face down, flip down card up to make it even
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Old 06-28-2017, 03:14 AM   #15
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Re: 7th street, all cards dealt face up

Funny, today I was at Bellagio and asked two guys I know what they thought the ruling would be. One used to be a floor person, possibly poker manager, at Garden City. The other plays mostly stud. They both thought the ruling would most likely be neither player can bet. So maybe that is the rule in some places, although it seems silly to me since neither player has an information advantage.
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Old 06-28-2017, 11:35 AM   #16
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Re: 7th street, all cards dealt face up

Never played stud8 live, but at my local East Coast casino playing stud hi, I believe what is said in Robert's Rules are followed. The one time this actually happened it was 3 ways to the river and my card was face up and the other 2 guys' was down. IIRC I was required to be declared all-in though, I didn't have a choice, although maybe I did and just don't remember.
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Old 06-29-2017, 07:08 AM   #17
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Re: 7th street, all cards dealt face up

It's such an obscure rule that they probably don't know it. But, most cardrooms go off of RROPE with minor deviations that are known.
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