Hello,

I'm trying to learn 7 card stud and have been studying it off/on for a little bit.

I have a question about pot odds (I don't really know the best way to write this - I've written, deleted, and rewritten the below like 6 times already...):

Some sources have similar charts on what your odds would be to get a certain hand on the next street. Can I just memorize 1 of those charts or does the % chance of hitting your hand on the next street sorta depend on seen/unseen cards, meaning the odds might not always be the same on the next street?

Thank you

Hello fellow Stud newbie

Pot Odds is something else, it has to do with price vs reward ratios/percentages.

So you probably meant odds/chances to hit a hand (Hand Odds).

Like you said, it depends on your opponent's upcards, so every spot is quite different i think.

I've been using Stud Indicator for the past 2 days to observe Hand Odds in certain situations.
For now I kind of memorized one spot.
4 card flush on 4th street with live outs (between 0 or 1 or 2 dead) is gonna hit it's flush by 7th street around 45% of times.

I think that with enough repetition I'm gonna be able to memorize more spots.

Maybe give it a go if you have couple of spare dollars

But let's see what sharks will say about your question

The odds of improving your hand depend very much on the upcards that are out. Focus on observing what's out and determining how live your hand is and Likely hands for your opponents based on the cards out, their action and their style of play. This is time much better spent then doing math problems in your head. That said you should understand how the cards out affect whether your hand is playable (ie a three flush is worthless if many of your suit is out unless it has high card value steal value etc).. A pair of jacks even if it's the best hand is all but worthless if many people are in and all the other jacks are gone. A hand like J-10-8 might be playable late and cheap for the bring in if no nines or queens are out and u can get in cheap but may be worthless with cards dead. Just focus on learning the game and playing well and everything else takes care of itself.

Hello,

Thank you both for the responses!

Pavulon --> embarrassingly I was confusing pot odds with card odds Thank you for clarifying and pointing that out! Stud Indicator sounds cool - I'll check it out! Thx

Jeffage --> Thank you for your post! Your post was great! This really spoke to me, "Just focus on learning the game and playing well and everything else takes care of itself." I think that makes a lot of sense for me right now and that's what I'm going to do

I'm watching the 10k 7 Card Stud Championship live stream right now (epic head's up battle!). I'm learning a ton just from watching them!

Have a great night everyone!

Go with core fundamentals

Play live hands

Raise and re-raise when you have a big pair or a big card up and another playable hand like a 3 flush, straight draw, or smaller pair in hole.

If you think you may be up against a bigger pair try and have at least one over card or some type of combo draw, maybe a 3 flush and straight to go with it.

In multiway pots with draws try to be drawing better. For example don't draw to a straight when a few guys have a couple of flush draws on board.

7CS for Advanced Players is not heavy on stats but it is a great book and your guide for basically any game up to 75/150 imo

Sorry I missed this. Spent some time playing with two of the guys who cashed at this event last weekend just before they went to Vegas. Rod Pardee (9'th) and Matt Grapenthein (runner up and 2014 champ). 20/40 game at Commerce.

Got owned by Matt in one hand where he hit a straight on the river vs my aces up. He check raised me. I wanted to fold but I was not sure if he was capable of a bluff there. With 99% of the players I face, I could be sure I was beat there, but against a guy of his caliber, I could not be sure so I called. Smarter play would have likely to have just checked behind.

We discussed the hand later, and I told him that I was not convinced that he wasn't capable of a sick bluff there. He told me that he knew I knew that, since we had no real history together. So he felt safe in going for the extra bet with the check raise.

Never know who or what you are going to encounter in that Commerce game. Trouble is, the game is really thinning out, so game selection is not much of an alternative. You either take your chances against guys like this, or find another game other than stud.

Hello OP and welcome to the stud forum! It's seen better days, but as you can tell some pretty damn good and experienced players still come in from time to time to drop the knowledge.

I'll take these fine answers one step further. Even more important than knowing how likely you hand is to improve is knowing how likely your hand is going to be the best hand at show down. These are different because usually your opponent's hand can improve as well. This is a bigger factor in stud than it is in hold 'em because without community cards it's much easier for both hands to improve at the same time.

Use a hot/cold equity calculator like pro poker tools. You will have to learn how to input hands for it to simulate but once you do it can teach you a lot quickly. Take some of the starting hands people mentioned here and see how they stack up against probable starting hands for your opponents. Then add in dead cards (seen cards that have been folded). How does your equity change? If your equity to start out is 40% is it worth playing the hand? (Hint: usually yes but sometimes no)

Hey everyone,

Thx for the new responses!

ScotchOnDaRocks --> thx for the advice and great book recommendation, it's excellent so far!

lstream --> I think fortunately u can still watch it I went to wsop the other day and they didn't have any live streams going, but I think they did have an option to watch any past table already streamed

SGspecial --> thx for welcoming me to the stud forum and for a great post as well