Playing in a private mixed game, 5/10. This is only the 2nd orbit of Razzdugi I've ever played, and IIRC, the hand went something like this;

3rd street
HERO: (2 6) 4 limp
Villain: ( xx ) 9 bring-in
Two other limpers. Can't rightly recall all the other cards, but I noted that one spade was mucked

4th street
HERO: (2 6) 4 8 BET $5
Villain: ( xx ) 9 7 CALLS
2 folds.

5th street
HERO: (2 6) 4 8 8
Villain: (xx) 9 7 Q BETS $10, HERO RAISES $20, VILLAIN RE-RAISES $30 HERO CALLS

Is this a mistake on my part to not cap it?

Villain is not as solid as you thought. Why didn't you complete 3rd?

Given my inexperience, I guess I don't really know what's a good range for completing in this game. Also, I recall I counted 4 cards I'd need to get an 8 or lower as dead, and since I don't know where that 'line' is, either, I nitted up. Obviously was firing away on 4th, though!

Villain is paper mache

You can stop raising 5th once there aren't any more chips in front of you

Yeah you are even a favorite on the razz side

Complete Third, put all your money in on Fifth. If they let you get more money, put that in as well. Go out to the car, get the pink slip, put that in the pot too. Do you have any kids? Put them in the pot.

This.

edit: just to explain, an 8 badugi is a monster hand in stud7 -- much stronger than in regular badugi since the hand it is made from a smaller pool of cards. And on 5th your badugi is locked, and you are drawing to an 8 for low while villain is drawing to, or has, a Q9.

Clearly villain does not know how to play this game. [/thread]

Thanks for the comments. I remember now, at the conclusion of the hand, that villain specifically commented that he was freerolling me on 5th street. I mean, I understand him leading, but thought my raise would scream BADUGI. But apparently not.
I started to try to explain myself, but he said, "I guess we're playing different games." I just kept my mouth shut and didn't try to explain my suspicion that an 8 draw was a favorite over Q972A. Rather, I just quietly resolved to call more Razzdugi going forward. :-)

You know you're running bad when you're on a freeroll and get scooped

Wait so what was the result of the hand?

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Is this really true? You start with 4 cards and draw 3 times. If you draw 1 each time and make your badugi on the final draw, that's 7 cards. If you make a weak badugi before that, you have to decide whether to break and redraw or not but in razzdugi you get to keep your badugi and draw for another one.

Yeah, it's true. Of course, it all depends on format, position etc., but if you draw 3-2-1 to an ace, you've seen 10 cards. In the split-pot 5-card games I assume it is even more so.

TBH, I've played very little fixed-limit 4-card badugi, but suspect it can be played more loosely than many people suspect. With position, a strong 3-carder can be golden, and drawing a fistful enhances the odds of hitting something.

just my opinion

Oh I see what you mean, you've seen more cards. That can make your 8 either better or worse than normal though, depending on the cards. In my limited experience, though, people make better badugis in razzdugi than straight badugi.

I think 3-card hands are find in badugi, 2-card hands with any kind of action pre-draw are probably junk though.

Yeah a big factor is the discards in badugi. In razzdugi you can start with 42A and catch the A on 4th street, and your obviously a HUGE favorite to catch any black card by the river, but in Badugi with those four cards your just playing a normal tri and have to guess spades or clubs. It's like playing badugi where you get to fish through your discards on he river to make a better hand

I mean I guess you could say you are both freerolling, or maybe neither of you is, as either has scoop potential. But it's much easier for you to end up scooping. His 3 bet is terrible.

I'm pretty sure the Kelly criterion would recommend against this

I want to live in a world where we are both freerolling in a HU pot

Shelly. Close enough? :-D

In hindsight, I get what villain saw from a first level perspective. I was paired and he has a Queen-9 low, plus a badugi to said queen, but he's blind to the fact I made an 8 badugi on 4th. I see a lot of people insta-fold when they catch a pair in Razz, automatically assuming they're cooked. My guess is villain is one of those guys. I will admit that I learned a lot watching the 10K WSOP HORSE stream this year. It opened my eyes to the fact that certain situations that people assume are always bad in a full ring have some equity heads-up. I suspected (correctly, as ProPokerTools later showed me) that I had a big equity edge on the Razz side, and I could see for myself my 8 was ahead for Badugi.
My only question now is, is there a calc anywhere where I can check my equity of an 8 against a 7 draw in badugi? I mean, I guess he has about 4 spades to draw out on me, but I can improve, too, so, I don't even know where to estimate my equity on that side.

depends on how many kids you have!