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Thanks for all the input. Here is what happened. Seat 8 checked. I checked. Seat 5 then bet. Seat 8 took about 90 seconds to finally fold. I called, and my trip tens lost to a straight.

If seat 8 calls, should hero fold? He's getting ~ 9:1 for the call.

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08-13-2015 , 12:03 AM

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lstream

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

Gawd,

Without knowing it, I took your advice and left the table after that hand. That was about the tenth hand in a two hour stretch where I started ahead, got caught, and had a bunch of outs to win the hand on the river. But I never did. Not once. So enough was enough. We all have been there. As a consolation prize, I then proceeded to win a bunch of money in a limit Holdem game. And I barely like Holdem

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08-13-2015 , 12:18 AM

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lstream

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Originally Posted by Phat Mack

If seat 8 calls, should hero fold? He's getting ~ 9:1 for the call.

That's a tough one. Would seat 5 bet there with trips? I can't see him betting with anything worse than that. I do believe that Seat 8 was aggressive enough to bet aces-up on sixth. Especially if he thought he wasn't going to get raised by a flush, given my scary board. Which is entirely plausible. There was no way for anyone to put me on trip tens there as well.

Also, when you combine the pot odds with the likelihood of me shooting myself if I folded a winner I probably would have called. But again, it would have been tough either way.

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08-13-2015 , 01:29 AM

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Howard Beale

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Originally Posted by lstream

Well, look at the bright side! At least you have a stud game to play. The 15-30 stud that Casino Arizona used to have 3 tables/day of died off ~12 years ago.

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08-13-2015 , 11:27 AM

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SGspecial

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Originally Posted by lstream

Also, when you combine the pot odds with the likelihood of me shooting myself if I folded a winner I probably would have called. But again, it would have been tough either way.

At the risk of you or someone else shooting me, may I suggest you consider folding 7th as played? If seat 5 is even half as solid as you say, he'd have to be drunk off his ass to bet anything worse than a straight in that spot.

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08-13-2015 , 11:41 AM

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RichGangi

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Originally Posted by SGspecial

Agreed. You have a bluff catcher, and he is never* bluffing here imo.

*I hate to use that word, but it's almost certainly true.

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08-13-2015 , 12:14 PM

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electrical

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Originally Posted by SGspecial

Not once it's been checked to him.

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08-13-2015 , 12:53 PM

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Phat Mack

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Originally Posted by SGspecial

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Originally Posted by electrical

Not once it's been checked to him.

Yeah, once you call 6th then Seat8 has the lead, and Seat5 can bet through him. In live 20-40 I think it is a viable spot to bluff.

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08-13-2015 , 12:55 PM

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RichGangi

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I disagree, unless your image is lolbad. I mean, he has to 'know' you're at least calling the river, right?

Yeah, I get the levels we could take this to, but folding(barring some serious history) just feels so right in this particular hand.

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08-13-2015 , 01:29 PM

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electrical

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I trust the logic of raising out the third man is now evident.

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08-13-2015 , 03:03 PM

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lstream

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Originally Posted by electrical

I trust the logic of raising out the third man is now evident.

Ya, this is why I posted this hand. I put seat 5 on a straight, and Seat 8 gave me the perfect opportunity to drive him out, and I didn't take it. Passive play perhaps cost me this pot. I was real unhappy with my play when this hand was done. I may have still lost to trip aces, but raising would have at least given me a chance to win.

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08-13-2015 , 10:03 PM

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Joe Tall

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Originally Posted by electrical

I trust the logic of raising out the third man is now evident.

I do believe it still should be more wrong than right given the "reads" but I'm not sure if those reads were correct here.

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08-13-2015 , 11:43 PM

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Howard Beale

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It's kind of tough for me to say what's right or wrong. This is such a gross spot, OP's been getting crushed, heat of the moment, etc, etc. Nice hand for discussion, though.

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08-14-2015 , 01:12 AM

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electrical

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Originally Posted by Joe Tall

I do believe it still should be more wrong than right given the "reads" but I'm not sure if those reads were correct here.

This actually closely parallels the situation on Fifth where you have something like (AA)97 vs (xx)T8 and a third man showing (xx)65. You have a solid raise here because your equity is fine vs a small two-pair or any other hand, it's unlikely you're beat by the third man but he likely has equity vs both of you. That's a raise, this is also a candidate.

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08-22-2015 , 07:42 PM

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Davdob

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Grunching a bit, but in this spot with this Board, I would raise 6th. 7th is tough as played, but I almost never fold in those spots ever (small leak).

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08-28-2015 , 06:24 AM

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Mikel Sternmark

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Just re-read the thread and this really is an interesting hand with plenty of good analysis.
As someone new to Stud (and really enjoying the game), I wish there were more hand discussions on thus forum.
I'll post any hands/spots I find interesting and tough from my micro online games to increase volume and learn

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08-30-2015 , 07:04 PM

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Ray Zee

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dont over think these pots. the main thing is he bet into a scary board and likely would face a raise. most times its best to call. the pot isnt giant so risking extra bets just to knock out a hand that can be drawing almost dead doesnt pay.

if he was a drunk betting everything i would raise or even jam him. but if he shows any intelligence i call

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