2-7 Razz has been popping up a bunch in mixed games lately. I was wondering if anyone has any quick tips, guidelines or literature on the differences. I feel like I am figuring out most of what I need to know but also feel some random tip or hand ranking guide could turn a light bulb on for me.

i mean it's pretty self-explanatory no? played in a 7card stud format with 23457 being the nuts, Ace being a high card, 23456 no good? I'm not sure if straights count like 34567

Straights and Flushes are bad.

Yea I mean I know the rules. Basically I am not always sure how important it is to have a 2. Like is 239 better than 346 etc

If straights didn't count, it would be 2-6, not 2-7

well i wasnt sure if just 2-6 didn't count or if all straights didn't count

I've only played this in mixed games, but I saw people doing things that I thought were pretty wacky. Like peeling with xxJT against a xx37. Could this possibly be correct? What's the normal opening range in a full ring game, like a good 9?

oh thanks for hollywooding us last weekend HI? . You missed a good time

2-7 razz? never heard of such a game. how is that played? i've played both 27 triple draw and razz but never 27 razz.

I didn't get your PM until I was back! CG texted me on Thursday night, but I was drunk and chasing down a marine who threatened my life, so I didn't get around texting him back until 5. Sounds like you had a good trip though, next time we'll definitely meet up. I definitely failed at Vegas this time

It's played like razz, but the winning hand is determined by 2-7 rules.

I thought playing 2-7 razz was the craziest thing itt until I read this.

I've played it in mixes during WSOP, but I'm by no means an expert. It's a good game for a mix because these days more people play 2-7TD than Razz, and it's much closer to Razz.

Having a deuce isn't that critical. Snowing is basically never worth it as a result, because card removal matters less and you can't force an opponent to break. In 2-7 Razz a hand like (T3)458 on 5th is pretty strong because you can pair the 3 for a strong-ass board or catch any low card for a made Ten with a redraw. If you held T8543 in TD with two draws coming you'd often break and forfeit the showdown value of the Ten. In 2-7 Razz you never abandon the equity of a rough pat hand.

Straight draws hurt you less. Drawing to 3456 in TD is crazy since you're only drawing to 4 outs against a Nine, but in 2-7 Razz 3456 isn't nothing, it's a decent draw because you don't have to discard to break the straight and you hold four low cards.

Basically, compared to TD, you'll see much less snowing (or rather much less effective snowing) and far fewer strong showdown hands. On the other hand people basically never have to show down pairs, creating less incentive to bluff the river.

In the times I've played it, I've actually never seen a hand go to showdown.

then just bet your board ldo

Isn't this thread supposed to be in Draw and Other Poker (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21/draw-other-poker/) with the rest of the 2-7 posts?

But it's Stud!

LULZ. how many cards do you discard --> draw in 2-7 razz, exactly?

listening gonna listening

No, since it's about razz, a 7 card stud game.

okey-dokey

sorta old thread but ill reply anyway. if you try to help me add it to more games when we play i will tell you what i think about the game (not going to post it online) even tho i dont think im terribly good at it. when i played it in the fall when we were playing 2/4 nl deuce and 4/8 or 6/12 RT they almost all made some very very big mistakes in this game imo. most of what i do in the game is a result of my own assumptions and watching john hennigan play and hearing him talking to himself when an opponents ugly hand would beat his hand at showdown. most typical decisions are pretty simple and for me one of the bigger parts was understanding the kind of mistakes my opponents were making and adjusting as best i could.

howmany, can you grace us with one of your sicko chipstack pics?

dont have any other exciting ones, guess i could have taken one from the game yesterday i played with op and some others where i ended up having a little $600 nub in front of me after playing some russian hu omaha. it qualifies as sicko and degenerate but probably not in the way you desired lol

The dynamic of actually being able to see the doors and boards of others will make your starting hand selection different than 2-7TD. Hands like 346 are rarely playable in TD but can be great starters in the right situation in 2-7 razz. Not sure that i like it better than 239 unless the 9 was my door.

If up against wheel card doors Id stick to strong TD draws like 2ww and 2w6.

Probably a fun game........

Pretty sure you're talking about some kind of different game. How would you snow? How would somebody break? It's a stud game not a draw game there is no option to break a hand you draw, as in see the next street, to the hand you have or fold.

The times I've played it it's been an ok but not great game. Basically what makes it good is draw players playing significantly too tight on the early streets. Razz players usually play it fairly well there's not much of an adjustment.

It's basically to razz what A-5 is to triple draw (2-7) except in the games I've seen it's had the opposite effect. 2-7 razz usually kills some action and makes the game smaller where as a lot of times triple draw players switching over to A-5 will give a little more action than they should and the game gets bigger.