Originally Posted by mixgameADDict
Sigh. You're answering a question that wasn't asked. Look back at my earlier posts. I specifically pointed out that between dead outs and position hero's spot is a fold unless players behind are known to be passive and highly unlikely to raise 3rd.
The question under discussion is irrespective of position, which hand would we rather have.
I prefer hero's hand slightly as there are a lot of 5th street scenarios that put us decently ahead. I can still be convinced I'm wrong, it just hasn't happened yet.
If position and playability is irrelevant in your question try running the 97 hand against the Q5 hand assuming the Q5 has wheel cards...
You'll probably find out that the 97 is a better hand to have equitywise and answer your own question for you...
But it doesn't really matter which hand is better equitywise which is the point im making. Unless you are perfect at hand reading you are going to be in more difficult 5th 6th and 7th street spots if you take the 97 over the 5Q. Plus your opponents are definitely more likely to call down with the 8 draws against a board of 79x6 than a hand like 5Q62. If you pair an undercard on 6th in both scenario's which board are you more likely to call down against with an 8 draw? Obviously the 97. In the case of the 5Q your hand looks much stronger. It will force you to guess on 7th with the 97 and have a difficult value betting or check/calling decision but with the 5Q62 it will be much easier. Sure in spots where you make your 76 with the 97 in 6 or 7 you are snap value betting everything so the hand becomes easy to play when you improve to the 7.
But does the question, instead of which hand should I take the 97 or the q5 become, 'how well can I hand read on later streets and how difficult do I want to make the game for myself?'
Or am I being ridiculous and clearly we should just take the hand that is better equitywise everytime?
I hope my opponents aim to make the game more difficult for themselves.