Originally Posted by snowboard789
if seat 4 has 3 wheel cards is the peel wrong there with 8's and 9s showing closing action?
Having wheel cards are actually slightly worse for seat 4 than having an 8 given dead cards. Say seat 4 has 23 in the hole, his maximum outs are (with the benefit of knowing hero's hole cards): 3 As, 3 4s, 3 6s, 3 7s and 2 8s. Of these 14 outs, 2 or 3 are likely in the hands of seat 3 and 5. Just to make an 8, on avg he needs to catch 1 of 11.5 outs AND then catch one of 8.5 remaining outs. The odds of him doing so are 10-15% and even when he catches good he will still sometimes lose.