first of all thanks cause im new at razz and this thread and ill be busting your ballz a little

i dont have many reads cause im new at the tables

not sure about this on 4th and 5th at all

pot is not very big to call with a 9 on 4th but is not a total brick and he hasn't showed much strength yes?

5th he has a good board and i may be drawing dead to the 8
but he could have an 87 made + if he has paired i have a 9 made so im ahead but again i may have to call down on 6th to chase my 8 draw unless he catches another wheel card right?


ps. if sgspecial reads this im so confused with your 5th street charts its so many i have a made hand and a BDE draw which one should i use for this situation?

Poker Stars $2/$4 Limit Razz $0.25 Ante - 5 players - View hand 1803531
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3rd Street: (0.625 SB)
Seat 3: xx xx 8 ____Seat 3 folds
Seat 4: xx xx Q ____Seat 4 brings in for $1____Seat 4 folds
Hero: A 2 8 ___Hero completes
Seat 6: xx xx 5 ____Seat 6 folds
Seat 7: xx xx 7 ____Seat 7 calls

4th Street: (3.125 SB) (2 players)
Hero: A 2 8 9 ___Hero calls
Seat 7: xx xx 7 A ____Seat 7 bets

5th Street: (2.562 BB) (2 players)
Hero: A 2 8 9 6 ___Hero folds
Seat 7: xx xx 7 A 3 ____Seat 7 bets

if his range is wider than a 3card7 you have to call

call.

his range is most def wider than a 3card7 since he just called 3rd.

so it must be unusual for me to fold a made 9 on 5th as a general rule even against scary boards yes?

None of my critical pot size charts apply to this situation. As far as you can see, you have the 1st, 2nd, and 4th highest cards between you, which would be an ABD hand. These suck so bad no chart is needed! But you can infer more info than what you can see. Can you put villain on a more accurate range than assuming he has perfect hole cards like the charts do?

i.e. do you expect him to flat 3rd if he started with a 3-card 7? Would he automatically bet 4th and 5th even if he paired?

what are these charts OP speaks of?

cardrunners vids from dr razz ! which i really think should be banned lol

No one said that. What people said above is that, since villain only flatcalled on 3rd, there has to be something wrong with villain's hand to begin the hand, so villain here isn't as strong as she looks. That's the only reason you'd continue here - the possibility that villain has a 10 down or a pair behind or whatever.

If instead you started with [68]4, you raised, some super-nitty villain 3bets with a 5 up, you call, and your hands look like this on fifth:

[68]479
[xx]567

you're almost always drawing dead to runners now and you should almost certainly fold your made 9.

Reads (on what types of hands villain will play to start, and how villain will play a good board but bad downcards) are really important in spots like these.

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