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Old 02-01-2012, 04:29 PM   #1
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1/2 stud8 88A 3-way

Overall,table was bad.
Give up lead on 4-th given how well both caught?Would you fold if it comes a double bet back?
On 5-th with blockers and pot size would you still consider folding?
Fold or cry call 7-th?First instinct was to raise do draw out seat 5 if he happens to have 2 small pairs,but then again seat 6 could easily have me beat for high.

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3rd Street: (0.8 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx J ____Seat 1 folds
Seat 2: xx xx 7 ____Seat 2 folds
Hero: 8 8 A ___Hero raises
Seat 4: xx xx J ____Seat 4 folds
Seat 5: xx xx 4 ____Seat 5 calls
Seat 6: xx xx 3 ____Seat 6 completes____Seat 6 calls
Seat 7: xx xx Q ____Seat 7 folds
Seat 8: xx xx K ____Seat 8 folds

4th Street: (6.8 SB) (3 players)
Hero: 8 8 A 4 ___Hero bets___Hero calls
Seat 5: xx xx 4 2 ____Seat 5 calls____Seat 5 calls
Seat 6: xx xx 3 A ____Seat 6 raises

5th Street: (6.4 BB) (3 players)
Hero: 8 8 A 4 6 ___Hero checks___Hero calls
Seat 5: xx xx 4 2 Q ____Seat 5 checks____Seat 5 calls
Seat 6: xx xx 3 A 5 ____Seat 6 bets

6th Street: (9.4 BB) (3 players)
Hero: 8 8 A 4 6 T ___Hero calls
Seat 5: xx xx 4 2 Q 4 ____Seat 5 checks____Seat 5 calls
Seat 6: xx xx 3 A 5 K ____Seat 6 bets

7th Street: (12.4 BB) (3 players)
Hero: 8 8 A 4 6 T K ___Hero calls
Seat 5: xx xx 4 2 Q 4 xx____Seat 5 checks____Seat 5 folds
Seat 6: xx xx 3 A 5 K xx____Seat 6 bets
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:37 PM   #2
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Re: 1/2 stud8 88A 3-way

I think it's fine really except the call on 7th which is horribad imo.

Also, to good players, when you re-raise on third then bet out on fourth and then only call the raise they know you don't have split aces. Also your hand is kinda face up with the c/c on 5th as either a big pair 99-kk or a pair + 4 low, although at 1/2 they might not know it.
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:39 AM   #3
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Re: 1/2 stud8 88A 3-way

Hand looks very standard. Having a hard time seeing how 7th can be anywhere close to horribad. What are your thoughts there?
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Old 02-02-2012, 10:41 AM   #4
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Re: 1/2 stud8 88A 3-way

Standard hand is standard
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Old 02-03-2012, 07:08 PM   #5
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Re: 1/2 stud8 88A 3-way

I think I want to raise Five or fold.

All the hands that beat you for high other than a concealed pair are unlikely given exposed cards, you'd prefer the other low draw out of the pot in case you need to backdoor a low and you have a very strong board.

As for the other option, I haven't run any sims but we can't be making a big mistake by folding a pair with dead sideboards versus two apparently clean low draws, one of which may be complete.

You're not making life any easier by calling.
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Old 02-12-2012, 10:21 PM   #6
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Re: 1/2 stud8 88A 3-way

forth street is a check call or fold. and fold then on fifth if called.
i cant see getting this deep into this hand with what you have.

you could certainly make a strong case for raising 5th to play it out heads up. bit it runs out to be a disaster if you get three way action and get raised .
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Old 02-14-2012, 05:35 AM   #7
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Re: 1/2 stud8 88A 3-way

Check/call 4 fold 5 IMO
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Old 02-14-2012, 05:58 AM   #8
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Re: 1/2 stud8 88A 3-way

Was surprised by the first three answers in this thread.

I am by no means a Stud 8 expert but we have both rough hi and low draws on 4th while our opponents picked up reasonably. I don't see why we should get to showdown unless we smash 5th street.
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Old 02-14-2012, 04:53 PM   #9
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Re: 1/2 stud8 88A 3-way

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Was surprised by the first three answers in this thread.

I am by no means a Stud 8 expert but we have both rough hi and low draws on 4th while our opponents picked up reasonably. I don't see why we should get to showdown unless we smash 5th street.
Pots big and didn't necessarily get that way because people have hands we hate to see, we've got some big back-doors even back-door scoops that aren't super dead + blockers to some of the hands we hate, we've got decent equity against what I'd think of as reasonable ranges given table description and action in the post, etc. Just a hand that I think plays itself at a lot of tables including what the table op described sounds like to me.

Prob also got side-tracked a bit by the "a couple of hands got taken out of our range = hand face up and 7th is terribad (as I still can't see any way 7th isn't a call or a very, very thin fold), but really over-all it's standard to me. Certainly standard on the later streets once you get there and I think in a lot of games you are supposed to get there.

JMO. I mean the hand has an open completer in it and another guy who happily cold calls 2 I like playing pots w/ good cards against those guys and if it means we get caught in kind of a "meh, show-down" mode in spots where we catch ok but far from great and their boards look decent so yeah they're going to auto-bet lets see them turn it over that's just standard/what happens.

Really, I think I'd raise 5th before I'd end up folding this hand on an early street. Open complete has like 373A5 and the other guy has some trashy split pair/razz hand that just bricked 5th and how can he call hand a lot. Like that a lot more than folding (a TON of equity w/ a boatload of dead money to play for if that's the spot...) at this table.

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Old 02-14-2012, 05:07 PM   #10
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Re: 1/2 stud8 88A 3-way

the answer is simple they are playing too loose against good looking hands. you cant do that. eights stink in this game anyway and with the two dead cards you need to make two pair gone the hand is basically a bluff or trying to play head up against a busted low draw. three handed it is trash.
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