Yes I recall a recent thread with a similar situation. Unfortunately, like a lot of situations, it's room dependent, and it sounds like at this room it may differ from Robert's/TDA rules.

Yes, I think everyone who has played at twin river is aware of the fact that they have rules that are non standard .....the no talking heads up, no showing cards heads up, no exchanging of chips for cash, the list goes on. I think the bb should have spoken up sooner and I don't remember exactly when he did speak up but I do feel like if you paid for a hand that you should get one and the ruling should never be that you can play with 1 card. Everywhere the ruling is that you have to show two cards to win the hand so I don't even know how that would play out if the bb had played with one card and then made a hand. Top pair? What would his kicker be?

The no talking or showing cards is pretty standard out here now. Can't show cards at Bellagio

Depending if there was action after the big blind or not (significant action that is, two or more players) the ruling can be different.

She stated in original post on this topic that the big blind didn't notice until action came all the way around to him. I'd have to assume there were 2+ players who contributed to the pot by that point (which she hasn't yet confirmed) at which case the ruling of the hand being dead is outrageous IF that is actually how the TR book reads as that isn't what the universal rule is in this case. That should never be a dead hand with significant action already taking place. The scary part to me is that the players ignored the (correct) ruling and "agreed" to do whatever the heck they wanted.


The significant action rule overrides a player being being entitled a hand. I'd be interested to see how this is written differently in TR's house rules. It is the players responsibility to recognize and make aware he only received one card prior to significant action taking place. The obvious optimal play here is for the player to not place any further chips into the pot.

Like Googenheim said, if the rule is it's a misdeal, then all the blind has to do is see a weak hand, get rid of a card (by palming it, tossing it under the table, whatever), and he now gets a free second chance at being dealt a better hand in the redeal.

The common rule is his hand is dead, no misdeal, he loses his big blind. That's why, even if you don't look at your cards until it is your turn, you should count your cards immediately. That way, you can speak up before there is significant action, and it will then correctly be a misdeal. Plus, because you spoke up right away, it is that much harder for you to have cheated by "losing" one of your cards as discussed above. A good card mechanic can still do it, but it's harder as there is less time available.

And it's not a bad idea for the dealer to count the deck as soon as practicable after such an incident.

Cheers, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

So funny that this exact thing just happened again except it was the sb. There was a raise and a call after so it was ruled significant action had occurred but he was given back his sb money

I will be at TR this afternoon starting at 4:30pm if anyone wants to try to get a stud game, 5/10 or 10/20, or a higher stakes limit hold em game running.

And the tables are moved into their new home

i dont have pics...but there is a curtain up where the wall is being removed...for the poker expansion. makes an already dark room like someones basement lol

gotta save money on the lighting yo

Curtain still up as of the 29th.

I was told that the new tables will not be installed until July

They should totally keep the curtain and put the 2/5 and 5/10's on one side and the 1/2's on the other... would be a yugeee success.

Really? Cause 2/5 and 5/10 are SOOOOOO high limit they need to be secluded?

Can I have an update on the wait times here? Are they still out of control? I was planning to visit tonight around 8:00pm and play 2-5nl.

I doubt that there will be a wait at that time. If there is one, it will be short. You can call and ask how many people are on the list. If an older gentleman answers, speak very loudly into the phone because he doesn't realize that he is deaf

Yea, I met him. I had to wait about 20 mins to get into a game. One of the most annoying things was the time he gave people on the list. "MK 5-10nl...[3 mins later], MK 5-10nl...[3 mins later], MK 5-nl...[3 mins later], MK 5-10nl...[3 mins later],...LAST CALL, MK 5-10nl [waits 2 more minutes]."

Yet sometimes they'll skip to the next name after 30 seconds and not honor their policy that you have 10 minutes to claim your seat (officially). I've been downstairs waiting for a text and had my seat given away by the time I got upstairs 5 minutes later.

Yep that used to be a big problem because by the 4th time they call the name it's clear the original guy isn't showing up and someone deep on the list just says 'lock it up!'

That happens less now with the new sign in system because they ask you to present a player's card, but it's still frustrating when they call a name umpteen times.

The new tables are on the way so I'll actually look at Twin on weekends. Right now I still avoid it fri/sat, but go weekdays here and there.

There are still alot of mistakes made by current dealers, with a new crop on the way The floor are solid, much better than they used to be.


The action is still pretty good. Slowing down a little w more regs and less recs, but that's to be expected.

Hoping the new tables will reinvigorate the room a little.

- Magic Man

I actually find that the dealers are better than the floor people at this point. There still are some really bad dealers but most of them are pretty competent
I will describe three rulings that all happened within 24 hours of each other. Granted, this particular floor is one of the worst.

Ruling 1- guy can't post his dead sb on the button. I know this can be room dependent although the majority of rooms allow it and Twin River def allows it and it happens frequently.
Ruling 2- three people right in a row(seats 5,6,7) missed the whole last round, including their blinds. This awful ***** floor lady ruled that seat 5 could buy the button and seat 6 could straddle. Then the very next hand, seat 6 would be the sb without ever having paid his big blind
Ruling 3-there was a bet of 20, a raise to 60 then I reraised to 110. Stupid **** floor lady rules that I have to make it 120. Everyone knows why she's wrong so I won't explain it but that's the thing, anyone with basic poker knowledge knows that 110 is an acceptable raise in this situaion except for this cow who has been a poker floor for a year and a half but has no effing clue about poker

That ruling 3 is beyond bad. Seriously shouldn't be a floor if that is your ruling.

1.) Can someone link me to Twin Rivers poker room table list? (I don't have a smartphone, so is there a website?)

2.) What is the min/max buy-in of 1/2, 2/5, and 5/10 NL at Twin River?

3.) Are the NL games timed, rake, or both?

4.) Did they add more tables?

5.) If I go on a Saturday night to play 2/5 or 5/10 NL, will there be a ridiculous wait?

6.) Is it true there are a lot of younger 18+ players that have no clue how to play poker? (Heard the casino is near a bunch of colleges so I would assume this may be true)

1) doesn't exist
2) 1/2: 60-300, 2/5: 100-500, 5/10: 200-1000
3) 1/2 and 2/5: 10% up to $5, 5/10 $7 per half hour
4) Soon
5) Varies, sometimes 3 hours, sometimes next to nothing. I'd suggest before 6pm or after 11pm for best bet of short or no wait
6) Heh not all of us are that bad in all seriousness, haven't noticed many particularly young/particularly bad players but maybe

Lmao at reply 6. I live 10 minutes From CA and the Sun. I regularly drive an hour to TW because the games are so so soft. As for the college kids it depends on the time of the year. If someone is saying that they don't notice a lot of bad play there...... Umm a famous quote from the opening of Rounder's comes to mind.

Didn't say I didn't notice a lot of bad play. I didn't notice a lot of bad play coming specifically from particularly young players. The bad play is spread out over players of all ages