This argument doesn't make a lot of sense. We aren't employees of Sugarhouse, we are consumers.

The poker room manager doesn't care about you. She cares about the people who go in there 4 times a week and want the high hands. Do you think they would be doing this if it wasn't supported by a large percentage of the regulars? Eventually, it might change. It might not, though.

When it first changed in October, a person (might have been you) spammed my Facebook page with messages that we should boycott Sugarhouse and let them know we won't play there until the rake is $4+$1.

I walked in one night and one of the floor people pulled me aside and made it pretty clear that they didn't appreciate 'my comments.' I made it clear they weren't my comments. I even think they talked about a ban before they realized they weren't my comments.

Long story short, this just isn't a fight you can win. You don't have to shop at Wal-Mart if you don't like the politics. You can go to KMart or Sears. Same with Sugarhouse.

Bump. Let me rephrase to match the current hot topic... Do poker players earn points for paying rake?

I don't have a horse in this fight, but the argument does indeed make sense through the lens of poker as an income/job.

Assuming 100% of the promotion funds go back to the players, then one's EV isn't changed whether the drop is 5+0 or 5+2. Variance (per pot, per session) is slightly higher if the drop is 5+2. Of course, whether or not 100% of the promotion funds do indeed go back to the players is a valid question/concern.

for all those saying bad beat jackpots are neutral ev should look into the rules to which bad beat jackpot money can be used for marketing advertising and administrative fees. This doesn't even address the fact that their intake is impossible to monitor and very easily skimmed. It's not just because the players want this that these are becoming more popular it is financially beneficial to the casinos and subsequently detrimental to the players.

I've been wondering about that myself. Before the increase it seemed like they had high hands every day and the high hand jackpot, so what's the extra money going to? Only thing I've noticed (and I doubt this is related to promo dollars) is they're getting more generous with the food comps.

The jackpot high hands are significantly higher I believe since the increase.


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would say that paying additional rake for high hands is +ev if you play during the hours when the payouts occur because worse players are playing then

I agree the 5+2 rake structure is high but when every pot at 1/2 is 150BB+ I just can't play anywhere else.

You can look back at this thread where I was so against the 5+2. Specifically because at that time Mondays didn't have any high hand promotions(besides the daily jackpot) and you still paid the 5+2.

Recently I have changed my mind mostly because the action makes up for the extra dollar but there are also other benefits to consider. All alcohol is free and although I don't drink it makes games play looser because of the people that are drinking. At 1/3 and up Fiji and Redbull is free which I do partake in.

Also SH is about 15mins closer to my house than Parx. And although I do love Parx, SH is a fine room.

The biggest complaint is that SH doesn't have a badbeat when they are raking 100% more than Parx which has a badbeat and competitive high hands.

The rake at Parx is $2.50?

How many runners are the Sat/Sun 11:00 am $45 tournaments getting ?
What's the biggest tournament of the week ?

Thanks in advance.

I wish they could show #'s of the last 5 tournaments on Bravo like PARX does

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I've been playing at Sugarhouse recently and have been impressed with the amount of PLO that has been running consistently there.

I've seen $5 (either $5/$5 or $5/0) go on Monday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday like clockwork.

For those of us that live in Philly it's a much easier trip than heading all the way out to Parx or The Borgata for similar action.

Trying to check my rewards balance thing. How the heck do you get a pin #?

If travelling from Trevose, is it worth it to play some 2/5 here over Parx at certain times.during the week? Am thinking would only be playing there when I go I to Philly for a lunch and Parx for evening sessions

Bump. How is 2/5 quality (not quantity) compared to Parx?

2/5 at Sugarhouse is kind of hit or miss in terms of good action. I've never been to Parx

Sometimes it is a table full of regulars, sometimes it is 3-4 donators and some live recs. Very very random. In general, I'd say regulars play worse than parx but there are more of them, and you have very almost no table selection.

So is it a fair statement that the 1/3 would be a better option for a 3-4 hour session in the afternoon than trying to get a good 2/5 game during a weekday night here? Same questions apply to the 1/3 (how often and good). Inb4 "check bravo"

Thanks :-)

1/3 can be great or a bunch of nits that give no action, very game/table dependent. The 1/2 is perhaps one of the softest. 2/5 can be soft when its not filled with regulars who softplay each other.

Does 1/3 run every day with multiple tables?

Yeah there are at least two 1/3 tables running everyday by 5-6pm

Had an unbelievable situation happen today at 1/2 NL. UTG raised to 10, UTG +1 called, I raised to 35 in position, both call. Flop comes 962 (can't remember if it was a rainbow or not, but def not a flush on board) UTG donks for 100, UTG +1 folds, I say "All in" (about 220 effective stacks) UTG says "I call" I turn my hand over and push it forward and the dealer scoops my hand, puts it in the muck, and starts raking the pot over to UTG before I could even figure out wtf was happening.

I obviously ask the dealer wtf he is doing and he replies "Oh, I thought you folded." Three other players confirmed that they heard me announce all in and that UTG said "call." Somehow the dealer did not hear either of these. So instead of making UTG keep his hand and leaving the flop where it was he scoops up all the cards and says "sorry there is nothing I can do now." I say f that, call the floor. Floor goes and looks at the cameras, verifies the flop and that I had kings, 20 minutes goes by and finally they come back with, "well we are just going to have to chop the pot, sorry." RIDICULOUS!!!

The dealer had every opportunity to clarify what was going on. He could have asked me if I was folding, he did not, he just assumed I was and mucked a strong hand in a 40bb pot simply because it was turned over. He could have left the cards as they were after I protested so that the floor could verify from the cameras that I had kings and made UTG keep his hand and run the board out. He did not. He scooped up all the cards like it was no big deal and wanted to continue onto the next hand. Just insane decision making and lack of logic. I tip the dealers, the waitresses, everyone pretty well and to just get ****ed over like that is crazy. /endrant

Sounds ****ty, but let it be a cheap lesson for the #1 rule in poker: always protect your hand, at all times, until the pot is pushed to you

Yeah... that will be the last time I announce a bet or raise... just putting my chips in from now on. The incompetence is quite amazing though.

Haven't played much live poker this year, but I'm thinking it might be fun to donate at 1/2 this Saturday and watch the Mayweather fight in the poker room. Probably hard to anticipate, but will the place be really packed, even by regular summer Saturday standards? Might show up at 7-ish if the fight starts at 9.

You're never required to do this in cash games (with cards still to come, as you described it). It's not a tournament.

I was at a Borgata table years ago where something like your anecdote happened (not to me), and since then I've always kept 3-4 chips on top of my cards while I'm in a hand.