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12-25-2008 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by dudemanjack
I don't know what people really expect out of a poker room in November & December. Business is not going to improve during the holiday season (except the week right after).
Anyone have any thoughts on what player traffic will be like tomorrow? Seems like there should be plenty of people off work (including me!!).
12-25-2008 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Wubbie075
Anyone have any thoughts on what player traffic will be like tomorrow? Seems like there should be plenty of people off work (including me!!).

Starting tomorrow, the room will be very busy until probably the Monday after New Year's Day. It is one of the busiest times of the year, so there should be plenty of action for ya!
12-25-2008 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by NJMike37
Starting tomorrow, the room will be very busy until probably the Monday after New Year's Day. It is one of the busiest times of the year, so there should be plenty of action for ya!
Sounds good. I'm planning to come in for the 2PM and then some cash table action. You dealing tomorrow? I can finally introduce myself.

Hopefully I'll have better luck then I did on Tuesday. I couldn't have been beaten down worse if I had handed out baseball bats to all my opponents. *sigh* Played 5 hours between the Boat and Borg and won 1 frikkin pot.
12-25-2008 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Wubbie075
Sounds good. I'm planning to come in for the 2PM and then some cash table action. You dealing tomorrow? I can finally introduce myself.

Hopefully I'll have better luck then I did on Tuesday. I couldn't have been beaten down worse if I had handed out baseball bats to all my opponents. *sigh* Played 5 hours between the Boat and Borg and won 1 frikkin pot.
Yep, I will be there by 9AM tomorrow and will be there till 5PM (at the earliest..) Definitely come up and say hi!

Hope tomorrow's session will make up for the last. Here's to lots of monster pots shipped your way!
12-25-2008 , 11:46 PM
The last time I was there, I went all in in a tournament. The last two players looked at each other and said, I'll call if you'll call and check it down. The other player said, sure, I'll do that. I stop both them and ask the dealer to call over the floor. The floor says no penalty, roll the hand. I go over the room manager and repeat my story. He says the floor made a mistake by not giving penalties and come over and get him next time. There won't be a next time. I'm staying at the Borgata.
12-26-2008 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by xxrod17xx
we are trying our best given the circumstances. I think its sucks, but come spring time I think things are def going to change. I expect us to improve on some of the things we messed up this past year. Maybe get a consistent 2-5 game??
I hope you take this the right way, because I'm a HUGE fan of all the Mikes that have contributed to this thread.

While I've never formally met you, I'm 99.9% sure you and all the other Mikes have been in the box for me while playing at Showboat. Every dealer (whether new or old, fast or slow, male or female) I've ever had at Showboat has always done his/her best to keep the table happy. They're always pleasant, practically never hold up the game, and are sure to keep the action moving along.

This is more than I can say for the other casinos in town. Unfortunately, even with the most pleasant dealers, the casino just doesn't get the business that the bigger rooms get. Per my last trip report, at midnight on a Thursday night/Friday morning in early November, the boat could only get 1 full 1/2 game and 1 full 2/4 game. Compare that to the next casino over (Taj) that had 6 1/2 games, 4 2/5 games, plenty of LHE and stud games all with lists at the same time. How can you blame us for taking the beautiful free room at Showboat and playing cards at the dirty casino next door?

I really hope Showboat changes. I look forward to a weekend poker rate with enough play like Trop used to offer. I look forward to a spread of different games if that's going to get more bodies in the room. I look forward to more casual walk-in business when people on the boardwalk see a full poker room and want to join in. I really hope that the new management really takes your suggestions and does something with them. I guess only time will tell.
12-26-2008 , 02:33 PM
I played a daily tournament at the Showboat a few weeks ago and was impressed by how weak the field was. (Guy calling all in on a gutshot; five players to every flop, etc.)

I'm debating between Showboat and Harrah's for another daily tournament later this week, followed by some 1/2 NL cash games. Anybody have any recommendations for either venue?

I've played very little in casinos. Does another AC casino have a better rep. for low-limit cash games? I'm guessing the games will be relatively soft at this level no matter what the venue.
12-26-2008 , 03:28 PM
As much as I like the Mikes, Showboat is really only good for the tourneys....
12-26-2008 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by xxrod17xx
we are trying our best given the circumstances. I think its sucks, but come spring time I think things are def going to change. I expect us to improve on some of the things we messed up this past year. Maybe get a consistent 2-5 game??
For the dealers' sake I hope things get turned around at Showboat. And soon.

But I have to say that I think the future is not bright for SB's poker room. Management blew the opportunities it had when the new room opened. It is extremely hard to turn around a business that is losing its customers. Especially one that is in a declining industry during a recession. Even worse when management doesn't know what it is doing. Responding to customer feedback is only a very small part of success. You have to innovate and lead, and Showboat's Poker Room management is clearly incapable of this.
12-26-2008 , 07:44 PM
Sorry to hear biz is hurting at SB. I'll be doing my part by donating in tomorrow's 11 am tourney (and possibly 2 pm as well). I'll be the gray-haired guy wearing the "dead money" sign around his neck.
12-27-2008 , 05:44 AM
I think when things improve in the casino pit they will find some money to spend on the poker room but who knows. Thanks for the input here guys, as always we will take it to the right people and see if they do ne thing with it.
12-27-2008 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by xxrod17xx
I think when things improve in the casino pit they will find some money to spend on the poker room but who knows. Thanks for the input here guys, as always we will take it to the right people and see if they do ne thing with it.
I'll second what Rod posted. It really means a lot to us that you all take time to post replies about what you would all like to see and what bad things have happened that we can improve on. Management did hear about the input that you all have provided. Now it's pretty much a "wait and see" scenario as to what they will be doing (and when..) I will say one thing.. they actually did seem interested in hearing about what the customers wanted and they also had some ideas of their own. We should be having another meeting soon (we are going to have them once per month now) so Rod and I will definitely keep everyone informed of anything new in the works. And once again, thanks guys!
12-27-2008 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by kickyourace
The last time I was there, I went all in in a tournament. The last two players looked at each other and said, I'll call if you'll call and check it down. The other player said, sure, I'll do that. I stop both them and ask the dealer to call over the floor. The floor says no penalty, roll the hand. I go over the room manager and repeat my story. He says the floor made a mistake by not giving penalties and come over and get him next time. There won't be a next time. I'm staying at the Borgata.
Very sorry this happened to you. You definitely had a right to be upset, and hopefully the floorperson learned from that mistake. Many of our supervisors are still fairly new and some had to basically "learn" to get some confidence in making the right calls. I feel that they have learned quite a bit in the last few months and seem to be on the right page now with making the correct rulings. I know this is no excuse for what happened, just letting you know my opinion

We're actually in the process of updating the rulings as we speak. The room rules were created when the room first opened and some of the rules are going to be updated or even completely changed to coincide with what many of the other rooms are doing. It does get a little old when we hear "Everywhere else the rule is different." That will be a thing of the past soon.. once the rules are revised and everyone is on the same page.
12-27-2008 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by NJMike37
Very sorry this happened to you. You definitely had a right to be upset, and hopefully the floorperson learned from that mistake. Many of our supervisors are still fairly new and some had to basically "learn" to get some confidence in making the right calls. I feel that they have learned quite a bit in the last few months and seem to be on the right page now with making the correct rulings. I know this is no excuse for what happened, just letting you know my opinion

We're actually in the process of updating the rulings as we speak. The room rules were created when the room first opened and some of the rules are going to be updated or even completely changed to coincide with what many of the other rooms are doing. It does get a little old when we hear "Everywhere else the rule is different." That will be a thing of the past soon.. once the rules are revised and everyone is on the same page.
i like playing at the showboat, all the people are very nice, but at the same time a person should not be working the floor if he/she is unfamiliar with the rules. There should not be " on the job " training when people's money is at stake.
12-27-2008 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BklynGrinder
i like playing at the showboat, all the people are very nice, but at the same time a person should not be working the floor if he/she is unfamiliar with the rules. There should not be " on the job " training when people's money is at stake.
Although I do agree with your post, there wasn't much of a choice at Showboat at the time. We had a huge change in management from the top all the way down to the supervision. We lost our poker room manager, a couple of managers, and most of the supervisors. So in this time, we had about 6 dealers that were promoted to supervisors within the last year or so. It required a quick hiring to ensure that we had enough coverage to open up games to satisfy CCC regulations, and with a lot of the supervisors and managers leaving (for various reasons) all at once, it was very chaotic for a few months until they got used to the positions. I'm not saying it is the best way to do things, but given the circumstances, they didn't have much of a choice.
12-28-2008 , 11:48 AM
Has this week been living up to expectations as far as increased traffic in the room? Any LHE 3/6 going or PLO?
12-28-2008 , 02:59 PM
Was there this weekend, and I do have to say, that Yessy is looking so fly as a floor person
12-28-2008 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DoodieDoodie
Has this week been living up to expectations as far as increased traffic in the room? Any LHE 3/6 going or PLO?
Yes, this weekend has been pretty busy. Around 100+ in a lot of the tourneys this weekend and quite a few cash games. Today was a little less busy, around 80 in the 11AM tourney, but still not too bad. There was a 3/6 game on Friday and Saturday, but as far as the PLO, I'll let Rod chime in on this one as I am usually gone for the day before that gets going..
12-28-2008 , 07:59 PM
went to the showboat poker room saturday night 11 pm to around 3 am...maybe it was the timing, maybe its the holiday season, but whatever the reason, this poker room was poor compared to other AC rooms...

the two cocktail waitresses never cracked a smile, and one hovered at my table screaming "any drinks? any drinks? any drinks?" about 10 times

some of the dealers, NOT including Larry and Moryrowe(sp?), were not 100% clear on a few rules/procedures...

i asked a floor person where a table was and got a nothing but a finger point and she walked away...later i saw this happen to another player as well

i will not be frequenting this club again due to last night's experience
12-28-2008 , 09:43 PM
I was playing 2/5 in Taj Saturday afternoon. After dinner, I decided to go to Showboat to play some 2/5. When I got there, they only had one 5/5 game going, with a list, which meant I would have to wait a long time. There were no 2/5 games. I went to the table and there was one empty seat that was not being filled. I then decided to go back to Taj where I was assured of a 2/5 game with decent/good action. I was a bit disappointed that on a Saturday night there was not one open 2/5 or 5/5 game to be found.

For all of the complaints the Taj receives, the Taj staff knows how to run a large room, and there are good dealers and floor for the most part.
12-29-2008 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by metsjetsrangers
went to the showboat poker room saturday night 11 pm to around 3 am...maybe it was the timing, maybe its the holiday season, but whatever the reason, this poker room was poor compared to other AC rooms...

the two cocktail waitresses never cracked a smile, and one hovered at my table screaming "any drinks? any drinks? any drinks?" about 10 times

some of the dealers, NOT including Larry and Moryrowe(sp?), were not 100% clear on a few rules/procedures...

i asked a floor person where a table was and got a nothing but a finger point and she walked away...later i saw this happen to another player as well

i will not be frequenting this club again due to last night's experience
If you rated the room poor with those findings, I would hate to see your rating for 6-7 other poker rooms in AC. Go to Caesars and let me know how you rate that palace.

I'll take an annoying waitress that frequently takes/delivers orders over an absent waitress that shows up once an hour anyday. And smile? Sorry, I would have to look at a Borgata babes calendar to remember the last time I saw a waitress in the Borgata poker room smile. I would not be smiling 100% of the time either if I had to deliver drinks to grumpy poker players for 8-12 hours a day.

I'll take 100 dealers that can admit they do not know a probably infrequent rule and is willing to check with a manager for the correct ruling over a dealer that does not know the right rule but insist they are right and does not need a manager. There are probably 1,000 poker dealers in AC. You want to tell me even 50% of them know all the proper rules/procedures for every senerio?

In my 5 years of playing poker, I have never had a problem finding a table in any poker room. Last time I checked, the tables had numbers and cards to tell you what the game was. The numbered tables usually go in some type of sequential order.

Some people have valid reasons for not liking a poker room. Yours were just laughable. I guess you were upset that your coffee was 5 degrees colder then you usually have it?
12-29-2008 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by poker327
I was playing 2/5 in Taj Saturday afternoon. After dinner, I decided to go to Showboat to play some 2/5. When I got there, they only had one 5/5 game going, with a list, which meant I would have to wait a long time. There were no 2/5 games. I went to the table and there was one empty seat that was not being filled. I then decided to go back to Taj where I was assured of a 2/5 game with decent/good action. I was a bit disappointed that on a Saturday night there was not one open 2/5 or 5/5 game to be found.

For all of the complaints the Taj receives, the Taj staff knows how to run a large room, and there are good dealers and floor for the most part.
It's not that Showboat does not know how to run a large poker room. It is just that the Trump Taj poker room has been in business a little longer then the Showboat poker room and has a larger customer base that keep coming back.
12-29-2008 , 07:38 PM
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It's not that Showboat does not know how to run a large poker room.
When I see for my own eyes no brush at the sign-in podium at all times, and I read the various issues the room is having like allowing collusion during tournaments, I would disagree. I understand they have had staffing cutbacks, but either keep essential personnel that knows how to run the room properly, or get rid of the room altogether.
12-29-2008 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by poker327
When I see for my own eyes no brush at the sign-in podium at all times, and I read the various issues the room is having like allowing collusion during tournaments, I would disagree. I understand they have had staffing cutbacks, but either keep essential personnel that knows how to run the room properly, or get rid of the room altogether.
I must have missed a discussion about collusion in tournaments. Was it in this thread?
12-29-2008 , 07:56 PM
I think Showboat's -- or any up-and-coming AC poker room's -- success or failure is only about 25% in their own hands anyhow. The fact is, there are only x number of people wanting to play a certain game in AC at any given time. It makes sense that they would all tend to congregate at one or maybe two places. It used to be the Taj years ago; now it's the Borgata. For the Showboat to grow, the Borg would have to shrink.

Personally, I like being able to go to one place and know that there are going to be a bunch of tables open for the games I like at the stakes I like. I would rather have 4 tables open in one place, than one table open at 4 different places. Of course, 4 tables open at 4 different places is best, but the fact is that the player pool just isn't that big.

Right now, the AC poker scene is Borgata's race to lose. They don't even have to be the best; they just have to be good enough to avoid driving away customers to other places.

      
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