this isn't a new topic. many many threads and posts all over 2+2 using actual numbers from revenue sheets.

your idea is correct in the big picture... the skateboard shop still makes some money from tshirts... and sometimes skateboard shoppers want to go where they can also buy tshirts (or bring tshirt buying friends)... so they provide it. the hard rock does this by providing poker. as do many casinos.

the error you're making is how much value you're assigning each. it's not small difference. it's a big difference. poker takes up a lot more space than slots and make a lot less. an active poker table will average 100 - 300 in rake per hour. and there is a need for a lot more staff than a slot machine.. or even table game.

if you owned a skateboard shop that made $100 profit on skateboards and it comprised 99% of your sales (and the skateboards didn't require a salesman, and 99% of your customers only wanted skateboards) and you made $1 profit on tshirts (and each tshirt required a salesman, and most tshirt customers were constantly complaining)... how much energy and effort (and stress) would you put into your tshirt division?

i'm not saying they shouldn't do a job well.. but i can see the motivation to sweep it aside easily.

At approximately 10:45 a.m. today checking Bravo and Poker Desk for games running, Derby Lane has 12, Silks 4, Daytona 3, .... THR poker 3.

Again may be nothing more than slow summer but in recent memory never remember seeing Derby with 3-4X more tables running than THR and for goodness sakes, Silks with more tables?

I think if we're gonna do hourly comparisons anyone can get via BravoPokerLive, they should be in a lower-content Regional Communities thread. Feel free to send me a PM or post in the Moderation Discussion Thread if you disagree, but for now we'll say that those kinds of posts go in the Regional Communities subforum.

My point was that once you have a giant building, which they already have, and you cant possibly fill the entire building with your highest profit margin item because there just arent enough customers for that item, you might as well make money on the extra space even if it is less money per sqft. If management cant see that, they need a new career.

FYI I moved a couple recent posts about games being run at other area casinos to the Tampa Regional Communities thread here:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/20...pa-fl-1091236/

Wow so the parking is $10 every time in out in a 24/hr cycle?

There seem to be a few people who indicated that if you leave and come back within the same day you don't have to pay the $10 again but that just doesn't sound right I can't see them being that nice. My hunch is eventually they will come around with some deal for the poker players (and other players too) but it won't necessarily help everyone. I would guess if you play 6 hours or so they will comp the parking (maybe 4) but I would hedge more on the 6. People over age 50 or 60 as a whole won't find that useful. I'm in my early 30s now and it is noticeably harder to sit and play for 6-8 hours than it was for me just 7 or 8 years ago

There's a lot of old man coffee types that put in a ton of hours at the lower limit limit games, they play all day during the week and often put in some time on the weekends. So they would be helped by this if it came to pass. But I agree, those it won't help are the casual older players (and younger ones in some cases) who come by after work in the evening to play a few hours or who play for a couple of hours on weekends while waiting for wifey to go through $200 at the slots so they can go to dinner.

It's still way to early to tell for sure, but based on the amount of vitriol and negative feedback that I've been told that dealers and supervisors are getting about the parking fees, it looks like there could be a serious decline in traffic to the room in the coming months.

Looks like dramatic catastrophic decline in 2 days if Bravo app can be believed. Anybody actually been there since yesterday?

Could a reg please ask a reliable source next time they are there regarding the $10 in out per day policy and report back. Would probably be better than calling in speaking to a hotel random getting mis-information

Thanks

I was told last week it is in and out,$10.You do not get a 24hr pass.

Yeah, no way that would work..... ****, I'd give my ticket to someone after I paid on the way out just to save them $10.00 so the Hard Rock didn't get it... I'm guessing many others would too, so yeah, I'd guess 99.99999999% it's pay everytime you come and go....

I wonder if they are doing anything special for handicapped stickers?


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What would be the rationale for doing so?

I left last night around 1:30am-2am. I was told unsolicited by the security guard at the gate specifically to make sure I keep my parking ticket because they are good for 24 hours.

I asked for clarification, "I can come back on this ticket?" and he said, "Yes, sir. It is good for 24 hours from the time you entered the garage."

The time is stamped on the ticket. I haven't tried this yet though. But why would he tell me that unasked if that were not actually the case?

As a side note, I haven't noticed a significant decrease in night traffic. And two of the last three nights have been my most profitable in Tampa.

Time to start selling your cards on the way out to other people going in for $5.00... Boom! hahah

Why so cheap? $8 is a deal

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My friend went to the Hard Rock last night, said it legit took an hour to leave the garage and people were flipping out.. Almost wish I went just to watch... lol What a disaster,,,

It takes forever to leave the parking garage now. So many people don't understand how the parking works, so the attendant has to explain it to them as they're trying to leave. When it first started, an attendant would give you a ticket. Now the gate is open when you come in and most don't push the button to get a ticket, so they think they don't have to pay. It's not explained very well and people are getting confused. Even at the kiosks inside where you pay, an attendant pretty much has to explain to every single person what to do and how to pay. It's a cluster****.

FWIW, was told by a poker room supervisor earlier last week that the poker room director was working on an "offset" to the parking fees for poker players and they should know something soon. However yesterday a different supervisor told several of us that there will be no offset. This supervisor did say that the poker room was going to do promotions starting next month that would help with the parking fees although there was nothing specific mentioned...

Instead of sending all this crap in the mail for stuff i don't do at HR (three mailers yesterday) send me poker tourney parking validation tokens or something

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I paid the ten dollars cash at the kiosk, and you have to put in "exact change;" two fives didn't work. I guess only a ten will do.

Could have been too many 5s were already in the machine. They can have them setup in a manner where too many of one bill won't be accepted anymore

What a monkey intercourse to park tonight. They have a maze of cones at the top of the ramp with no one directing traffic. Cars from lucky street were having to enter winner's way and make a u turn to leave lol. It's really comical.

If anything, the "offset" will be in the form of higher rake. I would expect a rake hike and keeping the parking fee before they raise rake to offset poker players' parking.