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Old 01-02-2014, 09:40 PM   #2296
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What does 1,000 points on your rivers card get or equate to ?
800 points = $1
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Old 01-02-2014, 09:49 PM   #2297
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Old 01-02-2014, 10:41 PM   #2298
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I would want less regulars and more fish.
Sure, everybody does...thankfully a lot of the regulars are still pretty bad.

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And robbing a bank successfully is awesome for the robbers. It kind of sucks for the bank though.

Anyone who averages less than 15 hours a week is the bank.
I mean sure, anybody who plays less than 20/week lost a lot of value in their $1 bbj drops, but it's obvious that Jim and whoever else makes decisions for the room wants to incentivize volume, and there's nothing wrong with that imo.

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This word get's thrown around too often.

Also, If I won the BBJ, I wouldn't tip more then ..... I'm not even sure.
Why do you think I typed both 'regulars' and 'pros'. There ARE a number of guys in the room who make a living at poker exclusively, so what else am I to call those people except for professionals?

I feel the same way about the bbj. I'd have to just make a decision on the spot.

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I really did not like this promotion as it's basically taking money away from the casual players and distributing it to the players who put in a ton of hours. You needed to play 20 hours to get 1 entry, then you got an entry for every 2 additional hours you played. That means a person who played the required 20 hours had one entry while the handful of players who put in 70 hours a week had 25 entries. The "rock" you probably are referring to won $500 - $1000 at least 13 times since those drawings began.

The behind a promotion should be to try to bring more casual players into the room. I have no problem somehow giving back to the players who put in tons of volume, but to basically take money from the casual players and distribute it to the high volume players without the casual players having a chance at it was ridiculous.
What is the logic behind making every promo designed to bring in casual players? The bbj already does that. How much more 'fish traffic' are you going to generate by running promos that don't favor heavy grinders? I mean, you can do things like splash the pot and high hand of the hour (and I'm sure they will run those things in the future) but these drawings generated a ton of rake for the room. Quite a few guys were putting in between 40-80 hours every week, and while I agree it maybe makes the games a tad more tight/reggy, the room got the traffic it was looking for. It's a nice chunk of rakeback for the guys who plug away hours on end.

And fwiw, nobody won more than 10 of the drawings in total. If I'm correct (and I think I am) 2 people won 10 of them, one person won 9, and a bunch of people were in the 3-7 range...The person who won 9 really didn't have that many hours in (30-50 a week) so he really ran hot!

The freeroll tourneys they are running are gonna favor heavy grinding a bit less. Just get your hours in (at a very minimal requirement) and you'll get entries into tournaments that have a pretty good amount of cash.

To wrap this up...What they are doing with the promo money is awesome. They are varying it up, running all kinds of different things to benefit players, which is so much better than just having the bbj and royals, which you're lucky to get a piece of either of those over the course of a year, even if you're a full time player.
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Old 01-03-2014, 08:51 AM   #2299
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Re: Rivers Casino (Pittsburgh, PA)

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I mean sure, anybody who plays less than 20/week lost a lot of value in their $1 bbj drops, but it's obvious that Jim and whoever else makes decisions for the room wants to incentivize volume, and there's nothing wrong with that imo.
Well they are using the bad beat drop as their promotional budget so it's rake. Some miniscule portion like 20% of the Bad Beat drop is actually going to the Bad Beat jackpot that the person getting <20 hours a week is eligible to win at any one time. So they want me to pay for their promotional budget and pay the majority of the salary for their employees too? **** that.

I'll ask, but I'm pretty sure they won't let me opt out of the bad beat drop. That leaves tipping for me to opt out of. You know what would happen to a poker room in Vegas that was raking $6/hand at 1/3? Nothing! Nobody would go there...

What's the difference here? They use the state to threaten to shoot any competitors so I can't walk down the street to a room with reasonable rake.
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Old 01-03-2014, 06:22 PM   #2300
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They are varying it up, running all kinds of different things to benefit players
They're running all kinds of things that benefit players putting in 50 hrs/month. So it's great for those players, but terrible for all players putting in < 50 hrs/month. I'm pretty sure a profitable poker room needs people who play less than 50 hrs/month.

I have no problem if a room wants to increase volume with promotions benefiting regs. But use the goddamn rake money to do it. Everyone should have an equal opportunity to get back the jackpot drop. Before you could. Now you can't. Rivers just effectively increased their rake to $5.45 max taken at a greater than 10% rate. The 2nd item is clearly a violation of state gaming rules.

But as Dantes said, we can at least control tipping. If they're going to take 45 cents extra per pot that I can never see, then I can tip $1 on half as many pots as I used to and it all washes out for me. I'm sure that the tips out of the freerolls will make up for my lost tips.

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Old 01-08-2014, 09:35 PM   #2301
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Re: Rivers Casino (Pittsburgh, PA)

How often does 5/5 plo run on wed and sat?
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Old 01-09-2014, 06:16 AM   #2302
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How often does 5/5 plo run on wed and sat?
Only on Friday around 6 pm and starts off as a private game and most of time u won't get any seat until late or if any of those regulars are out of town u might get one but it's rare.
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Old 01-23-2014, 02:17 PM   #2303
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I played in a 10/20 OE game last week that was really good. It was even bumped up to 20/40 after awhile. Can we try and get this game going again?
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Old 01-24-2014, 11:56 PM   #2304
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We played yesterday the game was good again the word is out that it's running again.
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Old 01-26-2014, 02:28 AM   #2305
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Re: Rivers Casino (Pittsburgh, PA)

The changes to how the $1 jackpot drop is used have definitely affected the atmosphere of this room, and not in a good way.

For months, I've heard discussion and complaints at the tables from casual players. These guys aren't stupid or unaware; they know their dollars are going to the regulars.

Overall weekend traffic is clearly down. The games run shorthanded (as always), but now with mostly regulars, grinding up their hours. Casual players are coming less often as the games worsen. Who wants to come out on a Friday or Saturday for that? Even the jackpot-chasing limit players don't show up reliably, because they're aware that not all $100,000 BBJs are created equal. (Who cares, but it just shows that people aren't all stupid).

Boo, Rivers. Set up the jackpots and promotions so that everyone has a bit of a fair shake. Give us back our healthy games.

We've only got two rooms in this town, the Meadows and the Rivers. I've been hoping that the Meadows would become a bit more like the Rivers. Sadly,things seem to be moving in the other direction.
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Old 01-26-2014, 12:05 PM   #2306
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The changes to how the $1 jackpot drop is used have definitely affected the atmosphere of this room, and not in a good way.

For months, I've heard discussion and complaints at the tables from casual players. These guys aren't stupid or unaware; they know their dollars are going to the regulars.

Overall weekend traffic is clearly down. The games run shorthanded (as always), but now with mostly regulars, grinding up their hours. Casual players are coming less often as the games worsen. Who wants to come out on a Friday or Saturday for that? Even the jackpot-chasing limit players don't show up reliably, because they're aware that not all $100,000 BBJs are created equal. (Who cares, but it just shows that people aren't all stupid).

Boo, Rivers. Set up the jackpots and promotions so that everyone has a bit of a fair shake. Give us back our healthy games.

We've only got two rooms in this town, the Meadows and the Rivers. I've been hoping that the Meadows would become a bit more like the Rivers. Sadly,things seem to be moving in the other direction.

I wonder if things will change.
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Old 01-27-2014, 10:33 AM   #2307
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I have been reading this thread for weeks. I'm not here to argue with anyone, but only to offer my perspective on how things have been the past year. My apologies if this sounds like a ramble, I'm writing this on a kindle and not proof reading. Jim has been amazing since coming to the Rivers. January is always a slow month for poker rooms, as rec players have less money directly after the holidays. I am there at least three days a week, and I can say there may be 5, if that, regs at 1/3 with which I respect their play. With the promos, they have rec players and regs alike, logging 60+ hours a week. I have played 70 hour weeks numerous times before. It is not good for decision making. Only one good player logs over 50 hours. You have a bunch of average players logging a ton of hours. What more do you want? People can only be a loser in a game for so long before they run out of money. This at least gives some money back to a few bad regs. Also, Jim has been more than fair with resolving previous disputes and current ones alike. Also, look at the tournament series he has brought in. They have been awesome for the room. If you think the games aren't good during these, you need to evaluate your own game. The games week in and week out are downright juicy. Quit complaining about nits, evolve a bit, and crush them. I know players in the room making 30/hr at 1/3. Oh and a change was just made to the 2/5 buy in to make it way softer. Best wishes.
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Old 01-27-2014, 11:06 AM   #2308
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Not that this room is perfect, its certainly is the best run place compared to the meadows, cleve shoe, p. isle or mountaineer. The last tournament series was well run and there were great cash games after (except the dealing to non blinding deadstacks issue). If you want to see a poorly run place, come to the horseshoe on any saturday night....grass is always greener.
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Old 01-27-2014, 07:19 PM   #2309
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They're running all kinds of things that benefit players putting in 50 hrs/month. So it's great for those players, but terrible for all players putting in < 50 hrs/month. I'm pretty sure a profitable poker room needs people who play less than 50 hrs/month.

I have no problem if a room wants to increase volume with promotions benefiting regs. But use the goddamn rake money to do it. Everyone should have an equal opportunity to get back the jackpot drop. Before you could. Now you can't. Rivers just effectively increased their rake to $5.45 max taken at a greater than 10% rate. The 2nd item is clearly a violation of state gaming rules.
I think you're on to something.
According to the PA Gaming Control Boards website, there are only 2 provisions for extracting money and they only apply to either a bad beat jackpot or a high hand jackpot, and no mention is made for other "poker room promotions" such as weekly drawings, splashing the pot, etc. etc.(per the following paragraphs in the Pennsylvania Rules and Regulations
Title 58. Recreation
Part VII. Gaming Control Board
http://gamingcontrolboard.pa.gov/fil...ons_Master.pdf

637a.15. Bad Beat payout; posting of rules; contributions; counting and displaying of payout amount; procedures for implementation.

637a.16. High Hand Jackpot payout; posting of rules; contributions; counting and displaying of payout amount; procedures for implementation.

So not only is it blatantly unfair that everyone doesn't have an equal opportunity to get back the jackpot drop, it may well be in violation of Pa. Gaming Control regulations.
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Old 01-28-2014, 07:00 AM   #2310
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That's the thing, everyone does have equal opportunity to have the same chance to win the money. You have just as equal opportunity to play 60 hours a week as the grinders do. Which in turn increases your odds of winning a drawing, or of winning the freeroll. This is no different from the bbjp. Simple mathematics. If you play 15 hours a week and someone else plays 60, who has a better chance of hitting the bbjp? It's the same concept for drawings. You have equal opportunity to have an equal chance, don't complain because you don't play enough.
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