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cltrich · 06-10-2012, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rambo1

As for the jackpot, its really upsetting to 1-3 NL players, because it hits at 4-8 limit more often. We simply have no chance, because we never sit down at that table or two. For regulars BBJ is a reward for putting in the time/money investment. Who wouldnt be pissed when that reward is being taken away.

As JN945 already pointed out, "they rake a bbj $1 from the limit tables like they do the NL tables". There are plenty of people that log plenty of hours at the 4/8 table. Granted, I don't know who was at the table last night, but I assume many of them were just getting their reward for a similar time/money investment that you put in. Chunks202 and Barbiaux hit the nail on the head as well.

Also, please correct me if I am wrong about this still only being the 4th time in almost 2 years for the BBJP at the 4/8 table and you KNOW the actual number. (Like I said, this number is only what I heard from a couple of dealers, not an official stat from the casino.)

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Originally Posted by rambo1

Thanks for the invitation to play 4-8 limit. However, serious players do not take money there for a reason. Even if the bad beat is more likely, the EV of the game itself is negative.

Fair enough if you think the game is too small. Fortunately there is 8/16 on Fridays. I realize even these stakes are probably still a little smaller than 1/3, but I'd imagine it's close enough, given that you can so easily take some money from the limit players that don't 'know how to play' AND have a little better chance at the jackpot that it would be worth your time. Hope to see you there.

frommagio · 06-11-2012, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by cardking303

It may help Rivers comps and rake situation but as far as the Horseshoe is concerned there is no competition. Rake is 6+1 and probably will not being going down, factor in .25 comps as well. But for me it is still better than driving all the way to Pittsburgh or Detroit. I agree with you though, it would be nice if all rooms flourished and another boom came around with legal online poker in the next few years.

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Originally Posted by Pokerella

For the billionth time, comps are not .25/hr...

It's not clear yet. Over on the Horseshoe thread, they have folks who have received $1/hr, and others with .25/hr. The difference seems to be whether they already had their Total Rewards card, or just signed up.

If you know more, please tell us. I'm curious to get to the truth.

frommagio · 06-11-2012, 05:25 PM

Pokerella - Check out this recent post, http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=432, on the Horseshoe thread. If you know something definitive about the comps at the Horseshoe, could you please post your info over on that thread? It seems that many folks are only seeing .25/hr. Maybe you could help them.

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Originally Posted by BrettButter

Comps - The first time I played there, I got 300 reward points for playing 3 hours of poker, so $1.00 per hour. Since then I've played poker for between 5-6 hours. I currently have 439 reward points. I watched the dealers swipe me in at all tables, and I waited until several hours (and checked again the day after) after any play to check my balance. This is consistent with $0.25 per hour, while the first time I played I received $1.00 per hour..

cltrich · 06-12-2012, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokerella

Lol the HOSE was actually hilarious- was in Pitt with friends and decided to play it just to mess around even though I almost never play limit and thought for sure I had no edge in the games... the floor didn't even know what the games were, let alone any of the dealers and overwhelming majority of the players, let alone the rules.

Mike the poker room manager was convinced that the "E" for stud eight or better was supposed to be low only, aka Razz... and when I kept arguing with him as to how that was possible when in HORSE you have Razz and Eight or better or that Omaha 8ob was the same as Omaha high-low, he says that the state of Pennsylvania is not allowed to run "Razz", so that they call it 8ob and that they are the same thing with different names in Pennsylvania.

... it wasn't until about the 2nd or 3rd round of the tourney that the floor realizes after he leaves that he was desperately wrong and change it back to stud high-low.

Oh, and for a while according to the floor, if the blinds were 100/200 in limit hold em and limit omaha, that means you can only bet/raise 100 on the flop and 200 on the turn and river... when they run LHE every day....

Many other amusing (and somewhat expected) incidents from this event (such as floor not being able to agree for ages as to whether omaha was high only or high-low, people betting pot, people calling down 7th street in stud when they can't beat face up cards, etc), but I thought those two were the most entertaining. Like I said, just did this event for sh*ts and giggles, so was just amused more than frustrated by the whole thing.

I got a good laugh out of this. Apparently on Saturday they tried to top this at the heads up tournament. They had 12 entries, so obviously 4 people would get a first round bye. What was crazy was the 4 people that got the byes were not randomly drawn. It was determined by order of when they signed up. I learned this from the winner tonight and fortunately he was not one of the 4 with a bye. I believe him when he said that this was not disclosed when he signed up. Hopefully if I had signed up and then had to play an extra match because of the time I signed up, as opposed to a random draw (assuming it really would not have been made very clear to me when I paid), they would have given me my money back, but I would bet against that.

cltrich · 06-14-2012, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jguerra338

Yeah, one guy asked about this and they did allow him to get his money back

I'm glad you posted this. In that case I guess the worst thing that happened to him is that perhaps he made an unnecessary trip to the casino. Still, it baffes my mind that:

1. They didn't randomize the bracket, giving everyone the same chance of lucking their way into a 1st round bye.
2. There were 8 people still willing to play, knowing that they were unfairly going to have to win an extra match.

I guess #2 might be explained by the fact that HU tourneys don't run very often, so the rare opportunity to play in one could have trumped the extreme -EV of having to win an extra match.

Urielx · 06-18-2012, 02:26 AM

Did any of you guys here play in the stud 8s tourney?

Wasn't a huge turnout but it was definitely a good game. At first the dealers (and most of the players) were a little shaky on the rules and action, but after a few rounds it was pretty good.

They said tonight they're doing another S/8s, and a HOSE in july.

thirty___three · 06-18-2012, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Urielx

Did any of you guys here play in the stud 8s tourney?

Wasn't a huge turnout but it was definitely a good game. At first the dealers (and most of the players) were a little shaky on the rules and action, but after a few rounds it was pretty good.

They said tonight they're doing another S/8s, and a HOSE in july.

How many runners? I didn't get a chance to play this time but I'm glad to hear they are doing both again in July.

ThierryHenry · 06-18-2012, 02:04 PM

I think I heard 28

Urielx · 06-18-2012, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ThierryHenry

I think I heard 28

Yeah we had 28 there. It went on for a long time!
I went out in 5th and that was at around 115, so about 6 hours in.

Edit:
I love mixed games, but I was a little surprised to hear that the holdem part was no limit.
For any of you guys that played, did they do a timed rotation or was it every X hands?

BADUU · 06-18-2012, 09:48 PM

I also played in the stud8 event and it was an enjoyable time. Great structure, with lots of play, and yes there were 28 runners.

I thought the dealers were pretty good since I doubt they deal stud much. The biggest problem we had was people understanding about the "The Bring In". Many players didn't realize the suit of the card decided it.

Also alot of time could have been saved by just having the heads up players keep their bets in front of them. Instead of having to chop every pot.

As2s3s4s5s · 06-18-2012, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BADUU

I also played in the stud8 event and it was an enjoyable time. Great structure, with lots of play, and yes there were 28 runners.

I thought the dealers were pretty good since I doubt they deal stud much. The biggest problem we had was people understanding about the "The Bring In". Many players didn't realize the suit of the card decided it.

Also alot of time could have been saved by just having the heads up players keep their bets in front of them. Instead of having to chop every pot.

The number of dealers who didn't stack pots was shocking. I thought the dealing was pretty bad TBH except for two individuals who were very good. I would mention their names but it's against the rules here

wiredtolain · 06-18-2012, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Urielx

They said tonight they're doing another S/8s, and a HOSE in july.

Good. HOSE was a blast.

Urielx · 06-19-2012, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BADUU

I also played in the stud8 event and it was an enjoyable time. Great structure, with lots of play, and yes there were 28 runners.

I thought the dealers were pretty good since I doubt they deal stud much. The biggest problem we had was people understanding about the "The Bring In". Many players didn't realize the suit of the card decided it.

Also alot of time could have been saved by just having the heads up players keep their bets in front of them. Instead of having to chop every pot.

I actually thought the structure was kinda bad at certain points. There were several levels where the ante and bring were the same, which really changes the game dynamic.

frommagio · 06-19-2012, 03:10 AM

The stud8 tournament was a nice change of pace. The structure did permit a lot of play, which was nice. The field was fairly weak, with lots of people playing nearly every hand and going to the late streets consistently, and pushing the money back and forth. Some players had to keep looking at their down cards. Some had a hard time reading their hands on 7th, but would not table - slowing things down. Nobody seemed to care if only a partial hand was tabled for one side of the pot. There were also some good players, of course.

Both players and dealers were struggling with some of the rules. I agree that the bring-in vs. completing to the min bet was a source of confusion, but eventually everyone seemed to get it. The lady floor was knowledgeable and involved, kept watching and explaining things to the dealers/players. Some of the dealers were green, but were jazzed about the chance to deal a different game. I saw a few up cards on 7th street, a few "up or down?" questions, one flop dealt, and one long pause after dealing everyone had two cards.

cltrich · 06-19-2012, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by As2s3s4s5s

I thought the dealing was pretty bad TBH except for two individuals who were very good.

I bet the good ones had previously dealt at Wheeling (I think, maybe it was Mountaineer) where stud apparantly was regularly spread. Almost without exception, I think all the dealers at Rivers are outstanding. I can see why they might have trouble dealing a game, however, that is never spread and management never really expected them to know to deal before they had a tournament.