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Old 02-05-2012, 08:52 AM   #1546
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Re: Rivers Casino (Pittsburgh, PA)

Played the $225 Deepstack yesterday and I agree that the structures need some tweeking. Went from 2000/4000 to 3000/6000 to 5000/10,000 to 6000/12,000. At least make the jumps uniform. And I agree that the 25/50 level is pointless.
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Old 02-06-2012, 03:04 PM   #1547
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Try beating the rooms in Florida. All the casino's are pushing High Hand promotions and taking a $2 rake per hand. Bummer.
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Old 02-07-2012, 02:57 PM   #1548
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I know three people there that are making 18-20 bucks an hour over a large sample size. i agree that 2/5 is more profitable, but to say that 1/3 is unprofitable is untrue. The rake is not much/if any different than vegas casinos and there are a bunch of players there that also make a living out there.
+1. If you can't beat the 1/3 game at the Rivers you are doing something wrong.

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Regardless of whether or not 1-3 is beatable or unbeatable a $6 rake (factoring in BBJ) is absurd for such a low stakes game. I know it's never gonna happen but it should be $4 max and no bad beat jackpot. To take $100k off of low stakes poker tables where each player only has a couple hundred and give it to a few lucky saps is terrible for serious poker players.
Obviously the BBJ is bad for serious players (and really, it's bad for all players). People ITT have discussed how awesome it would be if there was no BBJ but it's not going to change anything. Bad beat jackpots are ****ing stupid but dumb people love them and dumb people are obviously the target demographic for casinos.
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Old 02-07-2012, 06:53 PM   #1549
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+1. If you can't beat the 1/3 game at the Rivers you are doing something wrong.



Obviously the BBJ is bad for serious players (and really, it's bad for all players). People ITT have discussed how awesome it would be if there was no BBJ but it's not going to change anything. Bad beat jackpots are ****ing stupid but dumb people love them and dumb people are obviously the target demographic for casinos.
I play poker maybe 3 times a month and I never am there to make money. This is my entertainment for the evening. When I lose its no big deal and when I win it just allows me to add another session on for the month. That being said I do not mind the bbj. I guess it sucks that I have probably donated thousands to it but if I ever won 50k that would be life changing money so I am ok with doing it. This does not make me a dumb person it just gives me an opinion.
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Old 02-07-2012, 07:50 PM   #1550
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If "pro" poker players complain about the BBJ, look for a new job.
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Old 02-08-2012, 02:49 AM   #1551
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grunching so not reading alot but the 1/3 at the rivers is very mistake-filled. If you dont how to exploit the all the obv livepoker mistakes, then i thank you for playing.

its the easiest live game you will find for hundreds of squaremiles imo.
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Old 02-08-2012, 09:40 AM   #1552
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I play poker maybe 3 times a month and I never am there to make money. This is my entertainment for the evening. When I lose its no big deal and when I win it just allows me to add another session on for the month. That being said I do not mind the bbj. I guess it sucks that I have probably donated thousands to it but if I ever won 50k that would be life changing money so I am ok with doing it. This does not make me a dumb person it just gives me an opinion.
I wouldn't call 50k life changing money. It's barely the suggested bankroll for playing 5/10 NL.
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Old 02-08-2012, 01:33 PM   #1553
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Speaking of 5/10 I saw they had one running last night. Was it a special occasion, a planned session, or pure luck that it got going?
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Old 02-08-2012, 05:40 PM   #1554
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griff and pretty ricky showed up to play hu and another joined in. it played for 3 hours or somethin like that
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Old 02-08-2012, 06:56 PM   #1555
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Obviously the BBJ is bad for serious players (and really, it's bad for all players). People ITT have discussed how awesome it would be if there was no BBJ but it's not going to change anything. Bad beat jackpots are ****ing stupid but dumb people love them and dumb people are obviously the target demographic for casinos.
I can speak as someone who won $3280 two weeks ago at the 4/8 table. BBJP's are not poker, they are more like a lottery. I look at poker as a game with the money won/lost being the scoreboard. BBJP's mess it up. While it's easy enough to just not count my jackpot winnings on my 2012 scorecard, my winnings are underrepresented (or losses overrepresented) on every other hand I win anytime they take a jackpot drop.

However stumbling into one has changed my perspective on whether it's good or bad for serious players. Think of the BBJP from you opponents at the tables' perspective. Many of them are very aware of everything about the jackpot. They are at the table hoping to win it. And some of them are doing more than hoping. Those players are sabotaging their poker games to improve their chances. They call way more than they should with a pair (or even a hand like 62s). They stay in with gutshot straight flush draws. But, when they get a big pair (or AKs) they don't want to raise the other players off a potential jackpot.

From your perspective the EV is theoretically 0 (forgetting about taxes, tips, and some games being more likely to hit than others) assuming the other players don't know there is a BBJP (believe it or not one guy at our table had no idea what the commotion was about as the rest of us were all cheering when it hit). But almost all of your opponents do know about it and some alter their games (some by just showing up) because of it.

One suggestion could for Rivers to spread both BBJP tables and non BBJP tables. If they did, does anyone really think the dynamics of the two games would be very similar?
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Old 02-08-2012, 07:52 PM   #1556
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I can speak as someone who won $3280 two weeks ago at the 4/8 table. BBJP's are not poker, they are more like a lottery. I look at poker as a game with the money won/lost being the scoreboard. BBJP's mess it up. While it's easy enough to just not count my jackpot winnings on my 2012 scorecard, my winnings are underrepresented (or losses overrepresented) on every other hand I win anytime they take a jackpot drop.

However stumbling into one has changed my perspective on whether it's good or bad for serious players. Think of the BBJP from you opponents at the tables' perspective. Many of them are very aware of everything about the jackpot. They are at the table hoping to win it. And some of them are doing more than hoping. Those players are sabotaging their poker games to improve their chances. They call way more than they should with a pair (or even a hand like 62s). They stay in with gutshot straight flush draws. But, when they get a big pair (or AKs) they don't want to raise the other players off a potential jackpot.

From your perspective the EV is theoretically 0 (forgetting about taxes, tips, and some games being more likely to hit than others) assuming the other players don't know there is a BBJP (believe it or not one guy at our table had no idea what the commotion was about as the rest of us were all cheering when it hit). But almost all of your opponents do know about it and some alter their games (some by just showing up) because of it.

One suggestion could for Rivers to spread both BBJP tables and non BBJP tables. If they did, does anyone really think the dynamics of the two games would be very similar?

I agree 100% with this. I think a lot of people underestimate the amount of fish the bbj attracts and how much it influences poor decisions. I've heard far too often a person make a comment such as. "I couldn't fold to a 3 bet because I had a bad beat hand." There is no doubt that the poker room is busier when the BBJ surpasses 100k which is evidence of the attraction.
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:16 AM   #1557
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But almost all of your opponents do know about it and some alter their games (some by just showing up) because of it.
This.

But the whole thing was well put.
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:21 AM   #1558
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Noob-ish question: What does the '$100 - $500' mean in this phrase: "1-3 PLO $100 - $500"? Are those the min and max buyins?

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Old 02-09-2012, 02:58 AM   #1559
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Noob-ish question: What does the '$100 - $500' mean in this phrase: "1-3 PLO $100 - $500"? Are those the min and max buyins?
Yes
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Old 02-14-2012, 05:52 PM   #1560
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Does 2/5 run on typical weeknights?
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