First off, I have done research and looked at other threads and topics about live 3/6 being unbeatable. This isn't the first it has been touched upon and it has been debated to death.

Second I am 28 and have been playing live since Joe was the manager at Ho-Chunk and moved to Poto's grand opening of its room in the Bingo hall years ago. Not sure why this matters to you but I have been around the block and actually know about the harmful variables in poker and how it dicks over peoples earnrate--I don't embrace it and ignore it like some people...I will bitch about it and bring it to the attention of others to hopefully bring change.

And rakeback 1$? Hmmm, I wasn't aware Poto gave cashback for points anymore. They stopped that years ago and it was only 50% value anyways (50cents on the $1). The points are only good towards free play or food/drinks on the property which isn't nearly as good as online.

Shiftyeye, I think you are missing one of the larger points in my debate but I go over it with you since you seem like you want to play get on the bus without reading previous posts. When you look at graphs to find out where the bulk of most of your wins come from it is FROM Non Showdown winnings. When Non Showdowns are practically nullified due to the high volume of players per flop there is no way to recoup this lost $ in this game.

7+ Players to a flop and adjust? I guess adjust to the high variance and while in the spiral of the high variance get raked to death...makes perfect sense and is a great recepie and is an optimal gamestate for crushing. If I was a winning 3/6 player I would be irate at the high rake...not defending it but instead you are here defending the room and missing my first post that had ideas to make the room better...instead you went on a spew of a debate saying you were crushing a live 3/6 LHE game while being a smartass--THATS my problem.

You don't play limit do you? My guess is you're a NL player.

While I won't argue the non showdown winnings are great, and to a degree important, they are not as important in low limit hold em. Why? Well, rarely do you get a non showdown win in 3/6. But here's the thing, THAT'S NOT A BAD THING! Value betting the hell out of people time and time again, knowing they'll pay you off with inferior holdings everytime is much cooler, and more imporant than winning a pot without showdown. I'd kill to find a game that's 7 players to the flop.

I agree with you that the rake is brutal in games this low. But there is evidence that some players are beating it over the long run. Sure, they are few and far between, but it can be, and is being, done.

The real problem is that a room needs to make money, and to make enough to make the space profitable they need to charge the rake. It's not going to go down until people stop playing because of it. Good luck getting everyone to quit. And if that that should happen, they'll just fill the space with slot machines. The rake is the rake, and there's no way around it if you want to play in a casino.

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first off the points arent worth half. If you want to convert them to cash then u get half othewise u get the $1 an hr.

2nd please stop confusing me with these online poker terms like bbs/ equity showdown crap who would know all that stuff cmon.

If you play limit holdem online for a significant period and look at your database you will likely be up hundreds o thousands in showdown winnings and down hundreds of thousands in non-showdown winnings, thats the nature of limit holdem.

Also, if 3-6 is unbeatable there is usually a 8-16 or 10-20 that runs sporadically throughout the week, and a regular weekly 30-60 and 50-100 game where they even have a $4 max rake ($3 7 handed, $2 5 handed).

How often do the 8/16 and 10/20 go? Whats the rake on those? I'd make the 90 minute drive for those games!

Not often enough to merit a regular drive!
Though things may be picking up with the crummy weather. Give the room a call on a night/time of the week you think you might go and ask what's running. Rake-wise, I've not played the red-chip games at the Pot, but when I've railed them, it's a $5 max rake. But it's been several months since I've stepped foot in there, so who knows what the new management is doing...

I have yet to see evidence of someone beating a 3/6 game live anywhere. I am not saying a low limit game CANT be beat but under this specific enviroment 7+ players to a flop and a $5 rake I don't think it can. I have read Small Stakes Holdem along with countless hours of my own playing white chip limit and understand how to play in a loose metagame...my main gripe is the rake ($5). If you are beating it for any significance you are better off being a fryjocky at McDonalds--you will have less variance as well.

It is nice seeing more constructive posts other than insults and smart comments either way.

I have never seen an 8/16 game going. There once was a regular 4/8 game going but thats dead which is one of the reasons in my recent trip report that they get rid of the 2/4 game to make room for a 4/8 game and possibly higher LHE games since they have zero interest in expanding and lowering the rake on there 1-1-2 NL game.

What specific day is the 30/60 and 50/100 game? I am fully aware one goes on but have never seen it ran.

And is anyone going to the tournament Thursday night (Thanksgiving night).

30-60 is every tuesday. 50-100 is every other friday. I'm pretty sure this 50 game has run on schedule every time (except once or twice) for close to 9 months or so, although you probably have to be willing to play 3-4 handed at the start and the end. The days that the 50 or 30 does not run a 15-30 does (occasionally an 8-16).

What happened to the $2-$2 PLO game that ran on Sunday? Dealer said there were lots of $200-$300 pots. I got down there about 7pm and the game had already broken up - something about someone was playing in the game who wasn't supposed to be

7+ players to the flop is precisely why its beatable.

I think you need to reread SSHE.

i got there too late too. must not have been going long.

maybe setup another game for next sunday?

Poto voted best casino and poker room in Milwaukee ..(monopoly)... heres the truth about poto they act like your lucky the place is there for you to play cards and if you don't like it play across the street .Its is so cheap you got to pay for hot chocolate if you play till u cant see they wont send you to a hotel they wont even let you sleep in your car. If you play till your broke and get hungry they wont even give you **** to eat and you will starve. it will take you a week to get your comp points a 1dollar a hr and good chance they will rip you off on some hrs on that .lunch tickets are a joke... People that work there no comment... . if you play limit poker its the type of games where no one ever folds the winner (lot of family pots) it was suited lol ......trade mark hand 2 4 off suit

Potawatomi has a 2/2 PLO game now? How often does it run?

Yeah, I was told they wouldn't run one that small by a floor once. But maybe new management feels differently.

That was me. Long story short, I got there and game was running with extra seat, friends told me to sit, I did (w/o checking in). Played for an hour, floor came over and told me when I sat down it was a 9 handed game and that if they wanted to make it 10 they had to get floor permission. And since it was only now a 10 handed game (after the hour) they had to go to the list that was 5 people deep (0 when I sat down). Said I had to leave and they would put me at the bottom of the list. I left, they broke the game.

Also, 1-2 or 2-2 PLO should not be spread there. The 5/5, 5/10 game plays way to big and if a smaller option becomes available I think it will really hurt the bigger game. It would be a great game with 5-6 way pots for 1-200 pre-flop, but when those same people are willing to go 5-6 ways for 800-1k, theres no need to let them do the same for smaller.

The idea of a 2-2 PLO would be to encourage new players to join. The big game won't be hurt. They will still get their band of usual suspects who soft play each other.

Sorry of this has been covered earlier in the thread, but is straddling common, or even allowable, in the 5/5 PLO game?

allowed, encouraged, and sometimes mandated by the players

Thanks. Mississippi straddle or just UTG? A mandated UTG straddle in a game I've hardly played live at all and am barely rolled for would be kind of ick, but maybe that's just life when stepping into live PLO.

UTG straddle only. and house rules only allow one straddle. it really just depends on who is playing the game if the straddle is common or not, but if you're not properly rolled, i suggest you choose a different game. it plays pretty big and 1k pots are standard.

This weekend David said they were going to have a feeder game for the $1-1-2 NL starting on Monday. I was down there tonight for the Football promotion but I played the unbeatable (HAHAHA) $3/$6 game and forgot to see if they had 2 tables listed for the $1/$2.

Louisa's hair smells good.

A feeder game for the 1-1-2, what do you mean? How will this work?

Its ran a couple of times so far. With Christmas the room has been pretty dead on some nights. Basically there are two $1-1-2 tables and one is considered the "main game" and is always kept full. When someone leaves the main game the player who has been at the feeder table the longest must move to the main game.


I had the buffet on Christmas and it was horrible. All of the crab legs were dirty and the prime rib was already cooked to medium.

Why not have a Milwaukee Poker Series??

Advertise on Milwaukee, Chicago, and Madison radio. Put billboards up along the highway. And have a series that lasts a week. Put the tables in the banquet room right across the hall, or tell the bingo players to take the week off.

Have a couple $200 events, a couple $300 events and a $500, with the Main Event being 1.5k-2k. Or if you want a TON of people in your Main Event, make it $1000. The $200 and $300 events can be 2 days, the $500 could be 1 day, the Main Event can be a 2-3 day.

10k in chips for all preliminary events with 20k for the Main Event. 30-40 minute blinds and don't skip any levels! Overall, run a good tournament. Bam! All of a sudden Poto is known for having a nice series, GREAT cash games during the series and maybe some new poker players to fill the seats during the week.

One series, once a year. Thats it. Try it out. Be your own Heartland Poker Tour. Quit living in 1999 and have a damn poker series. Thank you most kindly.