The points are tied to your account, so there's no need to get a new card. As soon you sit, you'll be earning.

Confirmed!


Its different, not worse.
If food was your motivating factor, and the desire to eat right upon sitting without previously accumulating points is the situation you find yourself in, then yes I can understand your perspective. Not to play with semantics, but we're not talking about a slice of pizza - it's a whole pizza.

That being said, the difference is that players now have a choice in what kind of perks they want. You'd be surprised (I know I was) at how many players have opted to redeem their points for cash back, gift cards or merchandise. There was a large group of players that rarely ate while playing - the new rewards system should allow for equal amount of comps to all players (assuming all else being equal).

That's your opinion, and I/we completely respect it. However, you need to keep in mind that even though profit per sqft might be higher with machines, if poker wasn't staying at the forefront of our minds why would we build a 6 story expansion, instead of eating up existing space?

Well, I personally don't really care about free food or drinks, but my concern is it has an impact on a lot of recreative players for whom this was a really strong incentive to come play and stay for a long time. On last saturday, at 5:30 PM, there were only 12 cash game tables running, all stakes combined. I don't recall ever seing this at G over the last few months, it used to be really packed on saturdays.

Valid concern, which is the exact reason why we've adjusted how the promo drop is spread out. Yes, the BBJ will no longer grow to $1M+, however we're spreading $77k per week among 162 players, between high hands and hot seat draws. So, the rec, who might not often win during an actual gaming session has the chance to win $250 - $5000 just for being at a table.

That being said, currently Friday and Saturday are the only 2 days where players don't benefit from these promos, which may indicate that a few players have simply opted to shift which days they play (Sundays are now jam packed, as $33k of the $77k is paid on that day alone.)

Cash game count did climb to 21 tables on that same Saturday you speak of though.

I appreciate your replies. Unfortunately, the new system means players have to keep tabs on how long they played and how many points they accumulated, versus just sitting down and not worrying before ordering. Personally, I'm not food motivated as I don't always order when I play at PG, but it was nice have that carefree option, now I have to count my points. It is difficult to see how the food disadvantage will be compensated via other means as I don't buy merchandise or care too much about cash back either. If this points redemption system is not written in stone, I would kindly suggest mgt reconsider making the time requirements less stringent. Over 4 hours does seem like a very long time, even if it's for a whole pizza haha.

That's great PG is expanding and I'm glad this organization is thriving because I like competition to the regular casinos and especially where the focus is for poker. However, I haven't heard much about the expansion before so only rumors from players, for example, that it will be 1 floor for hotel and rest for slots, so if you could elaborate, that would be great.

Not necessarily, as your points balance is updated in real time on our website. All you need to do is login (takes a few mins to set up if you've never done so) and you can access your point balance directly from your phone.


If you have a point balance, and you don't plan on spending it on food, why wouldn't you take cash? In prior scenario, you wouldn't have that option - now you can top up your stack for free.

Definitely noted, but I won't blow smoke up your a$$ either. The system was created mathematically, and has to make sense for everyone. We just revised the menu prices, as we agreed with player feedback. Any other revision seem unlikely at this point, as the model would then become unsustainable. That being said, there are other options available at shorter sit times.

There will be 3 floors for hotel, another for entertainment and 2 dedicated to gaming. Straight from the horses mouth

Noted re food situation. Will check it out to see how it goes. Appreciate your candor.

When will the new addition be operational? Entertainment as in a concert hall? Gaming will be mix of poker, slots? Thanks.

Shooting for Q3 2020 for everything to be up an running. Plan is to keep poker and machines as separate as possible.

So what's PG's definition of both "entertainment" and "gaming"?

The same as everyone else's

Could you be less precise?

I can, but doubt you'd appreciate it.
All kidding aside, gaming is limited to poker and machines.
As for entertainment, that's extremely broad. I can't answer since we're still some time away from that section being ready, however we're looking at live entertainment - which will 100% be away from any poker (so no disturbances to the game)

Easier question, what is the meaning of "TheGreatSabu"?

Name I was given at the poker table, years ago.
I had this amazing trick where I could magically make my chips disappear.

Nice how people break balls and like to kick you while you're down

LOL, yup, sounds like poker players alright.

How often do NL games above 5/5 run? Do the higher buy in games earn the same food rewards as 2/5?

5/5 runs daily.
5/10 runs on average ~4x a week

10/25 runs the same ~4x a week.

Same rewards on 5/5 and 5/10, the 10/25 earn 40% more points and don't need to redeem for food while sitting (Basically food is free for them while at the table)

With the new system you're looking at a 30-90% rake increase depending on eating habits and stake. The room is just not worth going to anymore unless you really have no other options. For instance, you need to play 10-15 hours for a regular meal. At 17$ rake it couldn't afford to have food rewards that are worse than your average 4-7$ rake casino.

Please breakdown your math for me, as your numbers look extremely flawed.
Also, what's a regular meal?

His numbers look made up lol but of course the optics look bad. I wish there was another way as in the beginning it was great, free food and drinks, and now there's a limitation/restriction. If PG never had this and just came up with this points system, then everyone would be cheering.

I wonder if there's a better way, like limiting 1 full meal per player per day...or free food and paying something for booze. Of course I dunno the real reason for this change but doesn't look good.

If you're a grinder/player and sit for a full daw (8-12hrs) then you'll earn enough points for more than one meal.

Let's take 2-5 as an exemple. Assuming no cost, a regular person eats roughly once every 3 hours (active men tend to eat more frequently while women tend to eat less frequently). The average cost of a meal ordered at this stake under the old system was around 25$. A 2-5 table rakes roughly 19$/h per player. Rakeback is 2.5$/h (if spent on food).

(19+25/3)/19 = 44% rake increase or,
(19+25/3-2.5)/19 = 31% rake increase after rake back if you spend it on food

As far as my eating habits are concerned it's closer to a 85% rake increase.

Hardly, a steak will take you 12.4 hours while the salmon will take you 7.8 hours to grind.

19$/h is probly the rake at 1/2. 2/5 must be way higher..... In your calculation you dont even take into account they dont sell you food at cost.

This is a sick money grab dunno why people still play there. Trying to say this new VIP_LOL system is good for you while you almost double the rake is beyond ridiculous.

I used to visit for 1-2 week trips. The rake was high, but I enjoyed not having to worry about food and eating whenever I wanted. I will not be going back under the current system. Disappointing, as this was my favourite place to play.