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Old 03-17-2016, 07:07 PM   #1601
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I found this 30 posts above yours ^^
Ah.. Not sure how I missed that. Thank you!
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Old 03-22-2016, 03:28 PM   #1602
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For anyone thinking about playing @ PKBC, please read my thread here first about how I was robbed and then permanently banned from the room as a result:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/27...-life-1589609/
I read your post. I wanted to comment on it - but I see someone from the Kennel Club asked them to close the thread so no more comments could be made.

Funny how a regular player like myself hears different version of this story.

It is like a sociological experiment of communication, story telling and human interaction. Much like poker - In the old days - pro poker players were not seen in high standing - my wife often described my profession as Risk Management and the Study of Human Behavior, to friends and family - she was afraid of the stigma that applied to poker players as gamblers and seedy people.

It kinda works it way back into stories like this - money is lost - then stolen/robbed - people are fired - jobs lost - families adversely affected - police - corruption - crime - poker players - early morning activities occurring when regular, normal people are sleeping.

Anyway - the story going around the camp fire is this.

Money out of a backpack was dropped - someone picked it up. A few people that work for the poker room kinda recognize the person - one person - a dealer -thinks they absolutely know that person. But things are kept hush hush. This is where problems begin. Staff know this person - but some are asking, is this a crime. Some say yes - some say no. What do the police say??? No one really knows for sure because things are kept hush hush. The person who lost the money was told that the person will be arrested if they are seen again.

Well that was said - but afterwards other conversations occur - management learns it might not be a crime to find something and not turn it into the proprietor of an establishment.

Many communities have local laws or ordinances governing what a person must do if he finds cash and does not know who it belongs to. These laws usually require that a person who finds money, especially larger amounts (for example $100 or more), turn it over to the local police.
The question is - after these conversations have occurred - what is the law in Palm Beach County? - that should be easily answered

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/201...county-sheriff

this says it must be turned in - or it is a crime.

Now - with that being said - if they can absolutely identify the person - it is a crime.

The latest story is that the people who could identify the person from the grainy image - have said they will not go on record to absolutely say for sure that they can identify the person on the image.

Next item.

A poker dealer - while working - thinks they see the person who found the money. The dealer and or poker room manger call the person directly who lost the money to say - hey - the person is here - in the card room right now - come on down.

Problem. Staff does not contact security, they do not contact police (Sheriffs officers provide security and are in the Kennel club during every hour of open operations and are onsite) Staff does not notify anyone - except the person who lost the money. Sure - he wants his money back - but look at the security and protocol problem.

Problem. Lets say the person show up who lost the money - he finds the person who picked up the money - what happens in this public space - a fight - a brawl - shouting - etc. Should the person who lost the money contact police or security right away? If it is a crime - and the criminal is at a known location? Should staff contact law enforcement? Should the victim contact police? If the person who lost the money was told the person will be arrested - why wait to drive to the poker room - tell the dealer or poker room manger to notify police. - why do they call the victim?

Problem. We have police reports - so it is an open investigation - why not contact police - do not invoke personal vigilantly justice or resolution - this is dangerous for all the other patrons in the establishment.


So now the problems are beginning to pile up - just like a poker player - playing a poker hand very badly - 1 mistake leads to another mistake - to another.

Myself and other people see these mistakes because we are not vested in the situation - just like a poker hand - that I have folded - I can see more clearly - because I no longer have any money or vested interest at stake, it is much easier to see and read the other players in the hand.

Problem. The poker dealer and floor person were let go - I like to say fired - because they did not want to go. They were fired because of the actions they took by calling the person who lost the money - and by not taking action to notify police- for putting people (patrons at the Kennel Club) at unnecessary risk - and for not stepping up to positively identify the person who found the money - but they knew him enough to identify him upon re-entry into the poker room - but not well enough to go on record with the police to identify him. These are not my words - but just observations from the incident. The Kennel Club will not say this either - they just say - they were let go.

Being robbed at gunpoint is a problem for everyone of us - being robbed did not impact the decision to fire staff for behaving badly, poorly, unsatisfactory, or whatever you want to call it.

I hope we all see that these little issues or problems - all lead up to bid issues and problems.

If we had to do some things over again - people would have done things differently.

But - as information was gathered - and people choose not to speak on record - what someone was originally told as to the outcome - will now be different - when these additional problems and facts change that. These problems add up and change our desired outcome.

These preceding items are not influenced, nor do they reflect the robbery in the parking lot - or chips being turned and held by the kennel club - etc.
The parking lot robbery - does not impact the firing of 2 employees.

And the old motto - Management reserves the right to refuse service...etc.

After the robbery - you may have been a high risk player whose business they do not want anymore at the Kennel Club. You've played there - for a long time - you know they do not have any customer service at the Management level. So - as a customer you seem to be surprised by this decision to ban you.

My Friend - we get what we pay for - and for playing at the Kennel Club - this is what we get. We get poor service - we get management that does not care too much about the players - we get poor customer service - we get to play in a room that is often dirty with food, cups and god only knows what else is on the floor, we get to pay high, outrageous rake (Table Time) - we get no comps - we get poor security. Now that they moved the pit to the back room - we have to walk through that awful, disgusting poker room floor, all the way to the back of the room and we see what all the lower stakes players see on a daily basis (yuk)

Some dealers like Harold and Coach - are great at customer service - but those 2, and a few others are self taught.

The Kennel Club has a revenue target to hit each month. Period.

We are the tool the hits that amount. Period.

They don't care about "long term". Period.

They are the only game in town, and they know that. Period.

They want to make as much as they can - as quick as they can - with the least amount of hassle or investment back into the property. Period.

Since we all know that - being banned is probably a good thing. You will just have to travel a little farther south like the rest of us for a better poker playing environment. The games aren't as soft though - nothing like that guy in seat 3 who is my ATM in the pit.

I do feel for you though - I know the tone of this post wont read like that, but I do. I have seen several people banned from here - that is I why I don't ever say too much, or get too involved in anything at the Kennel Club - I just sit and listen and play my game and talk occasionally to the players. I have seen too many people get "involved" - and once that happened - I did not see them around again.
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Old 03-22-2016, 03:58 PM   #1603
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Old 04-09-2016, 03:22 AM   #1604
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Any place to see a live list of the games running at pbkc?
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Old 04-09-2016, 07:04 AM   #1605
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I have been thinking about going to check out the poker room there and see what it's like. I work at the airport so it's just a matter of finding time after work to get over there..
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Old 04-09-2016, 08:05 AM   #1606
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Any place to see a live list of the games running at pbkc?
I don't think so.
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Old 04-10-2016, 12:05 PM   #1607
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I don't think so.
Well, you could just go there...
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Old 04-10-2016, 12:21 PM   #1608
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Old 06-29-2016, 01:49 PM   #1609
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Re: Palm Beach Kennel Club (West Palm Beach, FL)

Went there on Monday, a decently-run room. Games were good for a Monday afternoon, room was clean albeit a bit dated. Dealers were competent and fast. Will go back next time I'm in WPB.
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Old 06-29-2016, 04:50 PM   #1610
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Went there on Monday, a decently-run room. Games were good for a Monday afternoon, room was clean albeit a bit dated. Dealers were competent and fast. Will go back next time I'm in WPB.
I heard they have a 5/10 game with a $200 max buy in. Is that true?
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Old 06-29-2016, 05:09 PM   #1611
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I heard they have a 5/10 game with a $200 max buy in. Is that true?
It's $300 max unless they changed it since I was there in February.
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Old 06-29-2016, 05:36 PM   #1612
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Pretty sure it was $300 max but not 100% sure. It was running next to my $2/5 and it was shallower than my game.
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Old 06-30-2016, 09:03 AM   #1613
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Pretty sure it was $300 max but not 100% sure. It was running next to my $2/5 and it was shallower than my game.
I think Im gonna play in that game just to see WTF is up with it. I have a lot of experience short stacking online. It seems like it could be crazy especially once a few guys start to get deeper.
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Old 06-30-2016, 11:59 PM   #1614
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The $5/$10 game is $100-$300 buy in. They were playing it with a $20 straddle and only one guy had more than $400. I watched about 10 hands and there wasn't one preflop raise. I blew it off and went to $2/$5
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Old 07-07-2016, 03:02 PM   #1615
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Looking for home game in the Delray Beach Florida area. Can anyone help?
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Old 07-07-2016, 10:20 PM   #1616
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Isle pompano is pretty close to Delray


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Old 07-09-2016, 06:17 PM   #1617
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Looking for home game in the Delray Beach Florida area. Can anyone help?
ACTIONJACK,

There's a pretty fat game up on 1111 N. Congress Ave in West Palm Beach, only ~15miles from Delray Beach. Limit games, 1-2, 2-5 & 5-10 NL games. 3-Card Poker, Ultimate Texas Hold'em with a $5 min. Food, drinks, desserts... Come check us out!

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Old 08-01-2016, 03:22 PM   #1618
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Is there a site that shows what games are running here?
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Old 08-04-2016, 10:18 AM   #1619
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bocafla,

This would take "effort" from someone at the Palm Beach Kennel Club

and

It would be a great thing for the Kennel Club to offer from a "Customer Service" standpoint to its patrons.

So the answer is - a resounding "No"

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Old 08-04-2016, 06:55 PM   #1620
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bocafla,

This would take "effort" from someone at the Palm Beach Kennel Club

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It would be a great thing for the Kennel Club to offer from a "Customer Service" standpoint to its patrons.



So the answer is - a resounding "No"
Lol, it stops me from going. Im about 45 minutes away and i dont want to waste my time if i cant see whats going on. I truly wonder what it takes to get on bravo or to have it on ur own site.
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Old 08-06-2016, 09:16 AM   #1621
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Lol, it stops me from going. Im about 45 minutes away and i dont want to waste my time if i cant see whats going on. I truly wonder what it takes to get on bravo or to have it on ur own site.
All it takes to get on Bravo is money to market their games and any promos which they may offer. Money that PBKC hasn't yet been willing to invest. Penny wise, Dollar foolish.
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Old 08-06-2016, 09:45 AM   #1622
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All it takes to get on Bravo is money to market their games and any promos which they may offer. Money that PBKC hasn't yet been willing to invest. Penny wise, Dollar foolish.
PBKC has essentially put all their eggs in one basket. Much of their discretionary funds have gone to the lobbying efforts to get slots legislation passed, to allow more pari-mutuels in the state to have them. They have been the leader in this effort. In fact, if you look at the last proposed Seminole-State compact, PBKC was the one additional pari-mutuel given slots under the compact terms. You don't get that kind of political clout without spending big bucks.

Pretty much everything else they throw under the bus. Including online poker: The poker room manager was ready to go all in on the effort to get legislation for online poker introduced and widely supported last legislative session, but the word came down from above him that PBKC wanted to concentrate on getting slots first, and pursue Internet poker authorization later on. Now that's being "dollar foolish" in my opinion.

Bottom line: afaict, the owners see slots as their financial salvation and consider expenditures to improve their poker offerings as inconsequential.
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