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Old 04-30-2017, 07:02 PM   #1651
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Btw is PBKC hiring dealers by any chance? How would one go about getting an audition if so?
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Old 05-12-2017, 08:26 PM   #1652
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Btw is PBKC hiring dealers by any chance? How would one go about getting an audition if so?
Hi Good Life,

We are entering our off season, and we usually shy away from advertising hiring needs on 2p2. Still, we encourage anyone interested to come in and fill out and application.

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Old 05-13-2017, 04:37 PM   #1653
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The whole "can't say anything" thing is rather ridiculous for Florida. The rule and related floor rulings seem to be designed to stop players from letting other players know they have the high hand, thereby either getting enough money in the pot to meet the high hand requirement or preventing a call to a bet when a bigger kicker on the turn or river might counterfeit the player's kicker.

But why does the poker room care if the player is "angle shooting" to win the high hand? In Florida, the money paid out for high hands is player money, not poker room money. It is funded by the jackpot drop. So what if a player asks how much needs to be in the pot to win the high hand, or whether there is enough in the pot?

Sure, there is the general rule about not affecting action. But running a high hand promotion in itself is affecting action, and related table talk about it shouldn't have to fit under the cookie-cutter general rule. There can be instances where there is a player that tries to take advantage of this type of banter, as an angle-shoot. But heck, I'd be happy to have a player at my table who tries to bluff having a high hand. I just might stack him.
congrats to the floor for protecting the game.
why should a cheater get rewarded.
my moneys being raked for the high hand as well at the next table over and I don't get the money because of CHEATING, I'd be upset
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Old 05-14-2017, 07:11 AM   #1654
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congrats to the floor for protecting the game.
why should a cheater get rewarded.
my moneys being raked for the high hand as well at the next table over and I don't get the money because of CHEATING, I'd be upset
So you think that if a player says something that reveals he has the high hand, it's cheating? Isn't he going to win the high hand either way? How does it take away from your opportunity to win the high hand?
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Old 05-14-2017, 10:37 AM   #1655
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PBKC is the biggest room Ive ever played in that still doesnt use Bravo. I dont get it. I dont know what Bravo charges poker rooms but the lack of smoothness in the way the room is run due to not using Bravo is apparent constantly. Its 2017. Time to act like it.
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Old 05-14-2017, 11:13 AM   #1656
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So you think that if a player says something that reveals he has the high hand, it's cheating? Isn't he going to win the high hand either way? How does it take away from your opportunity to win the high hand?
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example
A2 on an AAA flop
he/she tells all players to fold both his cards play
if turn comes the kicker no longer plays
meanwhile the player that had AK on an KKK board gets cheated out of the money.
ex" 2
some rooms have min pot size
player bets and tells someone to call so pot meets min
both of these are outright cheating and I see it all the time.
I hate high hand promo's, bring back the bad beats!!!!! much better for the game

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Old 05-14-2017, 11:40 AM   #1657
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example
A2 on an AAA flop
he/she tells all players to fold both his cards play

if turn comes the kicker no longer plays
meanwhile the player that had AK on an KKK board gets cheated out of the money.
ex" 2
some rooms have min pot size
player bets and tells someone to call so pot meets min
both of these are outright cheating and I see it all the time.
I hate high hand promo's, bring back the bad beats!!!!! much better for the game
That makes no sense. If there is a $10 min pot requirement for the high hand and there's not $10 in the pot yet, then the guy with A2 cant win the high hand. If he tells everyone to fold, so both his cards play theres not enough in the pot. If someone calls, a turn card is coming so he cant win HH (unless the turn is a 2 and river are both 2s)

If there is no $10 min pot requirement or if there is already $10 in the pot, then the guy with A2 can shove all in on the flop and say nothing. If nobody calls he wins the high hand. If someone calls hes not going to win the high hand but hes going to win a pot which could be more than the high hand depending on stacks.

There's no need to say anything at all here with A2. It doesnt help him at all except in the rare case that someone with like $40 calls his all in.
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Old 05-14-2017, 12:26 PM   #1658
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That makes no sense. If there is a $10 min pot requirement for the high hand and there's not $10 in the pot yet, then the guy with A2 cant win the high hand. If he tells everyone to fold, so both his cards play theres not enough in the pot. If someone calls, a turn card is coming so he cant win HH (unless the turn is a 2 and river are both 2s)

If there is no $10 min pot requirement or if there is already $10 in the pot, then the guy with A2 can shove all in on the flop and say nothing. If nobody calls he wins the high hand. If someone calls hes not going to win the high hand but hes going to win a pot which could be more than the high hand depending on stacks.

There's no need to say anything at all here with A2. It doesnt help him at all except in the rare case that someone with like $40 calls his all in.
didn't think it needed to be spelled out
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more than $10 in pot

Ex: 2 less than $10 in pot

I see these 2 examples play out 15-20 times a day in a 8 hr session.
some of the reqs have it down to a wink and a nod.
most dealers don't say anything because they know if you win they get a tip( to spell it out for you, in a room where they keep their own tips)
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Old 05-14-2017, 04:43 PM   #1659
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NO
example
A2 on an AAA flop
he/she tells all players to fold both his cards play
if turn comes the kicker no longer plays
meanwhile the player that had AK on an KKK board gets cheated out of the money.
ex" 2
some rooms have min pot size
player bets and tells someone to call so pot meets min
both of these are outright cheating and I see it all the time.
I hate high hand promo's, bring back the bad beats!!!!! much better for the game
So here is the way it goes down instead, under current gag rules:

Example 1: Player with A2 shoves all-in. Everyone else folds. He wins high hand; play with AK on KKK board doesn't.

Example 2: Player asks pot to be spread. It's still a very small pot, so everyone at the table now knows he has the high hand and needs more money in the pot to win. He makes a small bet, one person calls out of courtesy.

Same results regardless of whether or not the room has a gag rule for high hands.

I love the high hand promos. It leads multiplicity of players to make bad plays based on chasing the high hand. There is more money to be made when the other players are playing less than optimum poker play.

I love players like you, that are thinking about whether or not the way the high hand promo is run gives you a fair chance at winning the high hand. I love all the players who chase the high hand jackpots. Similar sentiments about a bad beat jackpot, except overall it attracts far less such players as it is much harder to hit.
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Old 05-14-2017, 04:44 PM   #1660
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didn't think it needed to be spelled out
ex: 1
more than $10 in pot

Ex: 2 less than $10 in pot

I see these 2 examples play out 15-20 times a day in a 8 hr session.
some of the reqs have it down to a wink and a nod.
most dealers don't say anything because they know if you win they get a tip( to spell it out for you, in a room where they keep their own tips)
Really? You see a flop with 3 of the same card 15 -20 times per day? Whatever.

Your examples dont make sense no matter how you spell it out. If I have A2 on a AAA board and there's $10 in the pot Im shoving and I dont care if I get called or not so Im not saying anything. If there's not $10 in the pot (and there is a min requirement which there isnt at PBKC) then you are screwed for high hand purposes no matter what happens. Saying to call or not call doesnt help you at all. If you check and nobody bets your gonna lose the HH possibility. If you bet and nobody calls, your not getting the HH. So you might as well play the hand normally. If there is no pot requirement like at PBKC, then again, Im shoving and I dont care if I get called so Im not saying anything.

Why dont you spell out how Im wrong since you see this 15-20 times a day?
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Old 05-14-2017, 05:27 PM   #1661
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Really? You see a flop with 3 of the same card 15 -20 times per day? Whatever.

Your examples dont make sense no matter how you spell it out. If I have A2 on a AAA board and there's $10 in the pot Im shoving and I dont care if I get called or not so Im not saying anything. If there's not $10 in the pot (and there is a min requirement which there isnt at PBKC) then you are screwed for high hand purposes no matter what happens. Saying to call or not call doesnt help you at all. If you check and nobody bets your gonna lose the HH possibility. If you bet and nobody calls, your not getting the HH. So you might as well play the hand normally. If there is no pot requirement like at PBKC, then again, Im shoving and I dont care if I get called so Im not saying anything.

Why dont you spell out how Im wrong since you see this 15-20 times a day?
aside from your trolling on this
player shoves
guy who's nursing a $8 stack for 20 minutes calls
you lose, you tell him to fold, you win

you assume players are smart enough to know,
you bet into a $6 pot, they got no piece and you assume they know hey he's got the high hand I'll call. the average player is doing everything BUT paying attention

these promos ruin the game
everyone just wants to limp in and hope to get the HH
the bad beat is much better, doesn't interrupt the game while making for huge payoff
after you log 3-4k hours at these you let me know what you think
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Old 05-14-2017, 05:50 PM   #1662
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So here is the way it goes down instead, under current gag rules:

Example 1: Player with A2 shoves all-in. Everyone else folds. He wins high hand; play with AK on KKK board doesn't.

Example 2: Player asks pot to be spread. It's still a very small pot, so everyone at the table now knows he has the high hand and needs more money in the pot to win. He makes a small bet, one person calls out of courtesy.

Same results regardless of whether or not the room has a gag rule for high hands.

I love the high hand promos. It leads multiplicity of players to make bad plays based on chasing the high hand. There is more money to be made when the other players are playing less than optimum poker play.

I love players like you, that are thinking about whether or not the way the high hand promo is run gives you a fair chance at winning the high hand. I love all the players who chase the high hand jackpots. Similar sentiments about a bad beat jackpot, except overall it attracts far less such players as it is much harder to hit.
think you mis read post
I am saying
congrats to the floor for protecting the game.
cheating is cheating
doesn't matter if its to hit HH or win a hand
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Old 05-15-2017, 08:59 AM   #1663
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aside from your trolling on this
player shoves
guy who's nursing a $8 stack for 20 minutes calls
you lose, you tell him to fold, you win

you assume players are smart enough to know,
you bet into a $6 pot, they got no piece and you assume they know hey he's got the high hand I'll call. the average player is doing everything BUT paying attention

these promos ruin the game
everyone just wants to limp in and hope to get the HH
the bad beat is much better, doesn't interrupt the game while making for huge payoff
after you log 3-4k hours at these you let me know what you think
Sure, cuz there's so many people playing an $8 stack, right? Youre being ridiculous.

As far as people limping all day trying to hit the HH, so what? Its NL poker. They can limp whenever they want. They can raise whenever they want. Its your job to do whatever you can to take their money.

Just about every room in Florida has these same type promos and the games arent ruined. They are thriving and if you are a good player you should be thriving by beating these clowns.
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Old 05-15-2017, 10:26 AM   #1664
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Sure, cuz there's so many people playing an $8 stack, right? Youre being ridiculous.

As far as people limping all day trying to hit the HH, so what? Its NL poker. They can limp whenever they want. They can raise whenever they want. Its your job to do whatever you can to take their money.

Just about every room in Florida has these same type promos and the games arent ruined. They are thriving and if you are a good player you should be thriving by beating these clowns.
The games are thriving and that is good for management and the house.
more tables means more hands per hour ;means more $$$$ to their bottom line.
This does not translate to more $$$ to our bottom line.

as far as them limping all day long >>>>>blah blah blah
you're right who cares.
BUT follow the rules or risk not being eligible for the HH.
ITS THAT SIMPLE>
EVERY ONE here who logs more than 10 hours a year on the felt sees the guy nursing the $8 stack , after all he only needs a couple bucks to hit the HH and can't be pushed out of a draw if its only going to cost him $8.
Walk in Daytona, Derby lane, Magri Gras or any other Florida room and walk around
you will see 2-3 of these players during the HH promo period.

sounds to me like you have very little time logged in a B&M .
Gain some Experience and log some hours .
you will see this.
I'm done as its getting off topic.

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Old 05-15-2017, 10:48 AM   #1665
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The games are thriving and that is good for management and the house.
more tables means more hands per hour ;means more $$$$ to their bottom line.
This does not translate to more $$$ to our bottom line.

as far as them limping all day long >>>>>blah blah blah
you're right who cares.
BUT follow the rules or risk not being eligible for the HH.
ITS THAT SIMPLE>
EVERY ONE here who logs more than 10 hours a year on the felt sees the guy nursing the $8 stack , after all he only needs a couple bucks to hit the HH and can't be pushed out of a draw if its only going to cost him $8.
Walk in Daytona, Derby lane, Magri Gras or any other Florida room and walk around
you will see 2-3 of these players during the HH promo period.

sounds to me like you have very little time logged in a B&M .
Gain some Experience and log some hours .
you will see this.

I'm done as its getting off topic.
LOL. I played over 1500 hours live in 2016 and have already played over 600 hours in 2017. 90% of it was at 2/5 but I did play a bit of 1/2 as well mostly while waiting for a seat.

Seriously. How long can a guy who limps all the time trying to hit a high hand be nursing an $8 stack? 4 limps and hes broke and has to reload. You're jut being ridiculous.

PS...Id be perfectly happy if they did away with high hands but not to add bad beat jackpots all over the place. Those are even stupider. Why would I want to pay $1-$2 out of every pot I win just so some random guy cant hit a massive jackpot?

In over 2000 hours of live poker, Ive never even seen a bad beat or been in a room when it was hit. Its like playing the lottery. That's for gamblers, not poker players.
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Old 05-15-2017, 11:09 AM   #1666
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PS...Id be perfectly happy if they did away with high hands but not to add bad beat jackpots all over the place. Those are even stupider. Why would I want to pay $1-$2 out of every pot I win just so some random guy cant hit a massive jackpot?

In over 2000 hours of live poker, Ive never even seen a bad beat or been in a room when it was hit. Its like playing the lottery. That's for gamblers, not poker players.
And more importantly, the bad beat jackpot money rarely goes back into the local poker economy. High hand payouts get put on the table immediately - usually to players who play less than optimum, chasing the high hand jackpots (although in some Florida rooms, it mostly goes to minimum stake players who in the long run are paying ridiculous amounts of rake chasing the high hands).
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Old 05-17-2017, 01:35 PM   #1667
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And more importantly, the bad beat jackpot money rarely goes back into the local poker economy. High hand payouts get put on the table immediately - usually to players who play less than optimum, chasing the high hand jackpots (although in some Florida rooms, it mostly goes to minimum stake players who in the long run are paying ridiculous amounts of rake chasing the high hands).
not to mention when it's a complete random that wins the bbj that's just in town for the day. bye-bye any chance of that money coming back to the room as it just went to a guy that never put a dime in to the promotional(s)
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Old 05-18-2017, 04:24 PM   #1668
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High hand promos make bad players play less predictable. The more predictable an opponent plays the better decisions you make. I can't tell you how many times I value owned myself vs some fish limping AA after 2 limpers to hit the high hand. And I can't put him on that hand. In a normal game he would raise 99.99% of the time. More times then not they are playing accidentally correct vs me.

"Well when you hit your hand you get him"..... it is very hard to hit a hand in holdem. So for example if I have KQ and flop TPGK and go for 3 streets of value vs my AA friend here I am only killing myself as I have a 22% chance to improve. So most of the time AA is winning and taking my money. Is he playing AA incorrectly when it's a 4 way pot? Yes technically. But it still affects my bottom line.

You might argue that it brings in more players. I say it really doesn't. People who play 2/5 will still play 2/5. It might affect 1/2 some but then you have people coming in once, donating money then leaving. Which is you play 1/2 that might not be so bad as it feeds the recs that are steady 1/2 players. I would lean on my speculation not to be correct though. People play poker because they like poker.

"Well if one casino offers it and the others don't they will flock to that one casino"..... Meh. If that were the case every player @ the PBKC would go to the Isles. Much better comps, far better food, much nice casino, shufflers.... but they don't.

It's value for it's positive factors on the game are far outstripped by it's negative ones for a player who is very good and making money. You can say the same for BBJP.
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Old 05-18-2017, 05:02 PM   #1669
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my local room has a promo of Wednesdays for cracked aces.. pays out $100.. it's by far the worst day to play there as every f'er is limping with aces and it's nearly impossible to put someone on them.

Usually at least once a session, when I play on Wednesday, I'll have someone say "you shouldn't have played that way, it's Wednesday".. I usually reply with say I don't care what the promo is, I'm playing how I think I should.
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Old 07-06-2017, 03:43 PM   #1670
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Anything bigger than 4-8 LHE ever consistently run here? No way to see current live table games running, and may be in the area this weekend. Pokeratlas shows that sometimes 1 or 2 tables of 5-10 limit run, but doubt that's close to accurate. Looking for anything 5-10 thru 10-20 limit holdem. Thanks.
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Anything bigger than 4-8 LHE ever consistently run here? No way to see current live table games running, and may be in the area this weekend. Pokeratlas shows that sometimes 1 or 2 tables of 5-10 limit run, but doubt that's close to accurate. Looking for anything 5-10 thru 10-20 limit holdem. Thanks.
I dont think so but lately there's been a 10/20 mixed game running at the Isle.
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I dont think so but lately there's been a 10/20 mixed game running at the Isle.
Ok thanks. And I think I've seen 6-12 LHE at Mardi Gras on Bravo, so hopefully something will be running over the weekend..

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didn't think it needed to be spelled out
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more than $10 in pot

Ex: 2 less than $10 in pot

I see these 2 examples play out 15-20 times a day in a 8 hr session.
some of the reqs have it down to a wink and a nod.
most dealers don't say anything because they know if you win they get a tip( to spell it out for you, in a room where they keep their own tips)
If I have it after the flop and bet $100 does that count as being more than $10 in the pot?
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If I have it after the flop and bet $100 does that count as being more than $10 in the pot?
There's no $10 min requirement at PBKC, but for poker rooms that have a minimum requirement (which is most of them), it has to be a called bet. If there is $5 in the pot and you bet $100 and nobody calls, there's not enough in the pot.
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There's no $10 min requirement at PBKC, but for poker rooms that have a minimum requirement (which is most of them), it has to be a called bet. If there is $5 in the pot and you bet $100 and nobody calls, there's not enough in the pot.
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