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Originally Posted by ch4nc305
I read your post. I wanted to comment on it - but I see someone from the Kennel Club asked them to close the thread so no more comments could be made.
Funny how a regular player like myself hears different version of this story.
It is like a sociological experiment of communication, story telling and human interaction. Much like poker - In the old days - pro poker players were not seen in high standing - my wife often described my profession as Risk Management and the Study of Human Behavior, to friends and family - she was afraid of the stigma that applied to poker players as gamblers and seedy people.
It kinda works it way back into stories like this - money is lost - then stolen/robbed - people are fired - jobs lost - families adversely affected - police - corruption - crime - poker players - early morning activities occurring when regular, normal people are sleeping.
Anyway - the story going around the camp fire is this.
Money out of a backpack was dropped - someone picked it up. A few people that work for the poker room kinda recognize the person - one person - a dealer -thinks they absolutely know that person. But things are kept hush hush. This is where problems begin. Staff know this person - but some are asking, is this a crime. Some say yes - some say no. What do the police say??? No one really knows for sure because things are kept hush hush. The person who lost the money was told that the person will be arrested if they are seen again.
Well that was said - but afterwards other conversations occur - management learns it might not be a crime to find something and not turn it into the proprietor of an establishment.
Many communities have local laws or ordinances governing what a person must do if he finds cash and does not know who it belongs to. These laws usually require that a person who finds money, especially larger amounts (for example $100 or more), turn it over to the local police.
The question is - after these conversations have occurred - what is the law in Palm Beach County? - that should be easily answered
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/201...county-sheriff
this says it must be turned in - or it is a crime.
Now - with that being said - if they can absolutely identify the person - it is a crime.
The latest story is that the people who could identify the person from the grainy image - have said they will not go on record to absolutely say for sure that they can identify the person on the image.
Next item.
A poker dealer - while working - thinks they see the person who found the money. The dealer and or poker room manger call the person directly who lost the money to say - hey - the person is here - in the card room right now - come on down.
Problem. Staff does not contact security, they do not contact police (Sheriffs officers provide security and are in the Kennel club during every hour of open operations and are onsite) Staff does not notify anyone - except the person who lost the money. Sure - he wants his money back - but look at the security and protocol problem.
Problem. Lets say the person show up who lost the money - he finds the person who picked up the money - what happens in this public space - a fight - a brawl - shouting - etc. Should the person who lost the money contact police or security right away? If it is a crime - and the criminal is at a known location? Should staff contact law enforcement? Should the victim contact police? If the person who lost the money was told the person will be arrested - why wait to drive to the poker room - tell the dealer or poker room manger to notify police. - why do they call the victim?
Problem. We have police reports - so it is an open investigation - why not contact police - do not invoke personal vigilantly justice or resolution - this is dangerous for all the other patrons in the establishment.
So now the problems are beginning to pile up - just like a poker player - playing a poker hand very badly - 1 mistake leads to another mistake - to another.
Myself and other people see these mistakes because we are not vested in the situation - just like a poker hand - that I have folded - I can see more clearly - because I no longer have any money or vested interest at stake, it is much easier to see and read the other players in the hand.
Problem. The poker dealer and floor person were let go - I like to say fired - because they did not want to go. They were fired because of the actions they took by calling the person who lost the money - and by not taking action to notify police- for putting people (patrons at the Kennel Club) at unnecessary risk - and for not stepping up to positively identify the person who found the money - but they knew him enough to identify him upon re-entry into the poker room - but not well enough to go on record with the police to identify him. These are not my words - but just observations from the incident. The Kennel Club will not say this either - they just say - they were let go.
Being robbed at gunpoint is a problem for everyone of us - being robbed did not impact the decision to fire staff for behaving badly, poorly, unsatisfactory, or whatever you want to call it.
I hope we all see that these little issues or problems - all lead up to bid issues and problems.
If we had to do some things over again - people would have done things differently.
But - as information was gathered - and people choose not to speak on record - what someone was originally told as to the outcome - will now be different - when these additional problems and facts change that. These problems add up and change our desired outcome.
These preceding items are not influenced, nor do they reflect the robbery in the parking lot - or chips being turned and held by the kennel club - etc.
The parking lot robbery - does not impact the firing of 2 employees.
And the old motto - Management reserves the right to refuse service...etc.
After the robbery - you may have been a high risk player whose business they do not want anymore at the Kennel Club. You've played there - for a long time - you know they do not have any customer service at the Management level. So - as a customer you seem to be surprised by this decision to ban you.
My Friend - we get what we pay for - and for playing at the Kennel Club - this is what we get. We get poor service - we get management that does not care too much about the players - we get poor customer service - we get to play in a room that is often dirty with food, cups and god only knows what else is on the floor, we get to pay high, outrageous rake (Table Time) - we get no comps - we get poor security. Now that they moved the pit to the back room - we have to walk through that awful, disgusting poker room floor, all the way to the back of the room and we see what all the lower stakes players see on a daily basis (yuk)
Some dealers like Harold and Coach - are great at customer service - but those 2, and a few others are self taught.
The Kennel Club has a revenue target to hit each month. Period.
We are the tool the hits that amount. Period.
They don't care about "long term". Period.
They are the only game in town, and they know that. Period.
They want to make as much as they can - as quick as they can - with the least amount of hassle or investment back into the property. Period.
Since we all know that - being banned is probably a good thing. You will just have to travel a little farther south like the rest of us for a better poker playing environment. The games aren't as soft though - nothing like that guy in seat 3 who is my ATM in the pit.
I do feel for you though - I know the tone of this post wont read like that, but I do. I have seen several people banned from here - that is I why I don't ever say too much, or get too involved in anything at the Kennel Club - I just sit and listen and play my game and talk occasionally to the players. I have seen too many people get "involved" - and once that happened - I did not see them around again.
