so easy to exploit?
limp in co with aa/kk then 3bet

LOL, I'm going to steal that idea.

I'd like to know from JG if this was a change in policy that I slept on or if its allowed what games its allowed in.

If the dealers plural *and* a floor said that it was allowed, I'm less inclined to think its some rogue dealer letting it slide.

Lol I never said it was a profitable play. But one I would love to see be allowed. Now only to make it popular somehow.....

Sounds like a sleeper bet.

Close but a sleeper straddle is only live if it folds to the straddler and can be taken back. This sounds like the guy is deliberately acting out of turn and taking the normal "punishment".

Can someone comment on the Tuesday night PLO tourney? How many runners on average? How much ~ up top? How late does it run? May donate next Tuesday.

Because the button bet isn't given the advantage of last action, it's not a straddle. Seen this a few times at 2:5 and 5:10 tables in Vegas. Essentially no different than the player telling everyone he's going all in before it gets to him.

And yes, gets exploited all the time.

So what I'm gathering is: yes it's allowed and we need to talk more people into doing it. Gotcha.

I still hate the button straddle for the same reasons people talked about in Nov/Dec, no need to rehash them.

UTG straddle seems to be working just fine.

Still waiting to hear JG's input.

Yeah that was happening at my table a few days ago. the guy announced "blind raise to 10", and then assured everyone that although its not binding, he will do it. I let him know that it is in fact binding if it limps to him, out of courtesy, but he assured me it wasnt lol so whatever, i guess if he tries to pull it back floor will set him straight.

The only rule it could be against is intentionally acting out of turn, this has nothing to do with button straddles. I dont think any discussion needs to be had about this. Out of turn action is EV+ to the rest of the table. The player could also let the rest of the table know he plans to raise 100% from button to $10 without looking, and follow thru, and would break no rules, so it doesnt much matter when the $10 is put into the pot.

side note: past few sessions have been utterly nuts at MGM, i dont know how but the action seems like its gotten even better at 1/3.

Yeah action was insane last I was there. Multiple > $1000 pots, massive probably 2K pot with 4 people shoving in > 100 bb on the flop.

The "blind raise" on the button is technically against the rules since you aren't allowed to intentionally act OOT and since the room doesn't officially allow a sleeper that's what this is. Of course I wouldn't ever complain about it if I'm at the table.

My guess is those two paragraphs are related. I'm also guessing that JG is refraining from commenting. If you look at the hype thread for MGMNH before this thread started, it is clear that JG values action in his games above all else (which I happen to agree with). If players have an agreement among themselves that brings more action to the game and doesn't unfairly disadvantage anyone, there's no reason to enforce rules against it. The only people who wouldn't want to allow blind bets are nits, so you wouldn't want them in your game anyway.

Selectively enforcing rules doesn't help any of us long term IMHO. I would love blind bets, button straddles, double straddles and no cap table options for 1/3 and 2/5. Just add it to the official rules.

i disagree completely. Acting out of turn needs to be against the rules, because it is bad when it influences future action and is a response to previous action especially when the previous action was expressely made because of positioning (like an out of turn fold on a squeeze play). But a blind preflop raise is at best "technically" against the rules. Its aganst the rules, but not against the spirit of why the rule was made.

As i described, there is a way to perform nearly an identical action without breaking the rules (announcing your intention befor ethe hand is dealt without actually doing it), so who cares?

We as a community should pretty clearly be very happy with people blind raising preflop, so why is anyone trying to rules lawyer this away? Leave well enough alone.

this exactly. WRT nits, it benefits nits as well, I think the only people who wouldnt want to allow blind betting are people who are unnecessarily flexing their muscles about their rules knowledge.

Room is absurdly hot tonight. Really can't imagine how the dealers feel.

A lot of assumptions in here. As I stated above, triple straddles, missisippi straddles, button straddles, bigger buy-ins whatever, I'm all about it. What I don't want is it allowed with one dealer and denied by another. Modify the rules if that's wanted and move on. I think assuming only 'nits' aren't up for selective enforcement is somewhat narrow.

Request:

1/3 (possibly 2/5) uncapped tables. It could be a select number of tables, I think there would be quite a bit of interest. Super deepstacked tables offers a different dynamic.

There is a MGM property in MS that has uncapped 1/3 as an example.

The 1/3 already has a buy-in of up to 233 BBs. I'd imagine that an uncapped 1/3 would decrease the amount of 2/5 and even possibly 5/10 traffic. How many higher-stakes games run at the MS property you mentioned? Do you think more would run if the 1/3 had a buy-in cap?

500 / 3 != 233

The max buy-ins are pretty deep at MGM already. I don't see any advantage to making 1/3 uncapped. It'd actually be shortstacker heaven if you have a $100 min at a table where everyone has 2K in front of them. There are also way more people that buy-in under the max right now than at max. I'd guess there are more people who buy for $100 than for $500 even.

500/3 = 167

Great feedback, thank you all:

1. I agree a majority of players dont even buy full stack. That's why I suggested just a few tables, maybe even 1.

2. Could always up the minimum

3. Could affect higher games, maybe have a 2/5 version too.

4. I'm a big Live at the Bike fan. I like the super deep stack play, wanted to see if we could bring that to the lower limits.

Not married to it, thought it could be fun.

I was the poker room manager at that property for 8 years... I considered uncapped buy ins here, but decided against.

Hi Johnny,
I'm a regular in the 1/2 5card game. Is there any chance of making it a time rake game so that it can have a must move format? Many players I've talked to have expressed their desire to see a must move format for this game. I know that MGM's biggest competitor has its 5card PLO game in a must move format.
Congrats on a great room.

JG may not agree or may not say. But the uncapped 1-3 has almost killed the 2-5 games. I seldom see more than 1 2-5 anymore. The 1-3s play deep and bigger. It works fine for me.but all may not agree.