If you leave at the last minute of course flights are going to be significantly more expensive. And there is almost no reason to fly to Vegas for anything other than the wsop. I don't think I see your point here.

/derail

I could find a chartered flight for high 5-figures and drive a space shuttle carrier to AC too, but I was being reasonable with regard to the actual expenses someone might face when deciding between LV and AC. You are not.

You know as well as everybody here that no one pays $700 to fly to Vegas - nor has spent three hours in the airport before a flight.

I've also been to Vegas 25-30 times and have never once rented a car. Not once. And yet I've had no trouble getting around.

In August I paid $280 round trip, non stop from National. Last December I paid $820 nonstop from National - for first class. Oh and if you went next weekend, you could fly for $208 on Spirit. If you are paying $700 to fly Southwest for a 5 hour flight that is truly the ultimate bad beat.

Oh and the last two times I've been to AC I have paid right @ $500 for one hotel night because I have no status anywhere, one was at Caesars, one was at Borgata.

Here's the rate for tomorrow night:

ROOM RESERVATION

Room Type: Classic Room
Bed Type: 2 Queen Beds
Guests: 2
Smoking Preference: Non-smoking
Arrival Date: Sat, Sep 19, 2015
Departure Date: Sun, Sep 20, 2015
Number of Nights: 1

Room Cost Sat, Sep 19, 2015 $439.00

Taxes $61.46
TOTAL COST $500.46

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Sorry, wildly off topic by now...

I was convinced the only people paying full weekend rack rate ($400+) were young 20-somethings who only go for the clubs and end up splitting the total bill 7 ways.

The county is no longer under that administration and is no longer corrupt as far as the business community is concerned, Hence the billions in investment in the past 5 years.

https://www.bisnow.com/washington-dc...-started-50170

In addition, the casino is not built on a flood plain. It sits on a hill. How can a hill be a flood plain? Just because it is on the bank of a river doesn't mean it will flood. For the Potomac to climb such a steep hill, it would have to be a Biblical flood. Even after the effects of climate change, DC and Old Town Alexandria would go under water before the casino.

Heavy storms, hahaha. The Potomac would have to rise @ 50-60 feet to even get to that location - clearly not a flood plain. Or you could check the MD floodplain maps to also see....not a floodplain.

Put it this way, if that casino is under water, we are all in really big trouble.

Although it just occurred to me - people that have not seen the construction site who have only seen the name - you do know that the "MGM National Harbor" is not actually being built down on the water where the current "National Harbor" stores/restaurants/hotels are, right?

i cant find the actual location of the site
my google is broken

Goggle foo

Does anyone know for certain how many tables they plan on having in the poker room?

No.

thx.

w/all those higher end stores around the area, I guess Oxen Hill has changed and is ALOT better/safer than it was in the late 90s?

So assuming this opens around 9/1, we have 7 1/2 months to opening and no comments here? Does anyone know if the room manager has been selected? How many tables will there be?

Harrah's doesn't value poker in their business model so I wasn't expecting that much from Horseshoe, but MGM seems to value poker as part of the big picture, so I'm hopeful this room will provide a variety of spreads and a good size room. I heard a rumor that they will have 40 tables, which we would be good in my view, but I have seen nothing to confirm even though the source insists that he knows the person who will be the room manager, and indeed I haven't seen a job add for that position, so I assume they have selected someone internally.

Also, I see that they hope to have dealer schools open by March, and I would expect the room manager would be helping with the set up of the of the schools and the creation of criteria for hiring.

Anybody have anything new, even its rumors?

Last number I saw was 140 total tables.
No way they use 40 of those for poker. Maybe 25.

I don't see the point in posting rumors. I've heard the same thing as bolded from a casino employee(claims to know the director). It's pointless to speculate until it's posted on http://www.mgmnationalharbor.com imo

Everything is very hush-hush at this point as far as I can tell from a google search. "Second half of 2016" is as specific as anyone's getting for the open date and that was as of a December 1st article regarding which celebrity chefs would have restaurants there.

The lack of information available makes me think it's behind schedule.

md live has 189 tables, 52 of those for poker. (27.5%)
27.5% of 140 = 40

so 40 tables is possible

At MDLive, poker is:

27.5% of total tables
10.8% of table revenue

$477K revenue per year per poker table vs
$1,491K revenue per year per non-poker table

I think the numbers points to having fewer poker tables.

Are you saying $477K revenue per year isn't worth the paperwork?

I am saying that if you start with a split of:

100 table games
25 poker tables

the decision of how to allot the remaining 15 tables seems rather clear.

Add to that the question of "How many poker tables can the area support?", ie are there enough poker players to fill up another 40 tables.

You are assuming that every additional non poker table would generate same amount of revenue regardless of number of tables added. That is an incorrect assumption.

Maximum revenue will be some mix that should be calculated based off data we don't have access to.

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I know, but can't say. But I promise you'll be happy with the person they hired.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

Yes. National Harbor is much more convenient than Maryland Live for all of Northern Va and probably anyone inside the beltway. The question is how bad (if at all) this would hurt ML.

no, it's not clear. Allotment of space has to do with the marginal value of that additional space, not the average value of space already in use. And, of course, there are other factors that they would be considering.

FossilMan, ME winner, Poker Room manager????

Indeed. There is no doubt they could fill up 40 tables for a long time if that is their goal.