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09-28-2016 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 22dueces22
Curious as to what you guys think about this.

Last week my table got picked for the WSOP ME seat giveaway. The floor (younger Hispanic; was a bad-ish dealer and seems to be the same as a floor) comes over to our table.

He gives his whole speech about non-transferable, two choices of day 1, must have ID and TR card. Then says whoever gets the highest card wins the seat, suits are tie-breakers if two people get the same card blah blah blah.

This whole time, the dealer is sitting there with the deck cut, waiting for showtime!

The whole talk from the floor person is over and the dealer very slowly gives the 1 seat a 4, very slowly gives the 2 seat a duece...THEN, the 1 seat looks at the floor and says "wait! You never told him to start!"

The 1 seat is a well known and liked 2/5 reg, very friendly with everyone, plays most weekend nights. I talk to him nearly every session I'm there, he's genuinely a decent guy...

So the floor grabs the dealers shoulder and says "what are you doing? I never said to start!"

Cards are re-shuffled and the 1 seat get the Q♠️ And it holds.

I never saw my card, but this got me heated..

Absolutely nothing changes from the time the dealer, cut the cards, waited for the speech to be over, the dealt the cards until the time the floor stopped him. The deck was cut, the cards were ready to go....

Is this BS or am I just salty because I didn't get a chance for two cards?
Was he a Seven Star?
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09-28-2016 , 03:37 PM
Definitely no reason to back it up and start over. I hope whoever pulled that angle busts on the bubble so as to waste the maximum amount of his time.
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09-28-2016 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by bobboufl11
Was he a Seven Star?
Last year he was a 7*, but he's a measly diamond now...pshh
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09-29-2016 , 11:20 AM
I cant really blame the player tbh - players gonna do things to get edges time and again (certain players at least.) Floor has to use logic/common sense and apply the rules evenly for all. next time I would say something outright and at least politely challenge the floor
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09-29-2016 , 11:24 PM
You can definitely blame the player. Floor is terribly incompetent, player is a scumbag.
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09-30-2016 , 11:14 AM
you may be right on the player.

more generally tho, my point was if not for the floor's incompetence then a player doing something like this is more of a non-issue (annoying or scummy but in terms of getting an actual outcome it wont matter.) good honest players should play it right, but the floor is supposed to protect against anything like this from going through, so final blame is with them IMO.
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09-30-2016 , 01:57 PM
I agree but that player can never be trusted and there are a ton of things a person who can never be trusted can do to make the games bad that are never going to be effectively policed by staff (though this individual incident isn't/shouldn't be one of them).
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09-30-2016 , 02:14 PM
Pathetic ruling, that particular floor is brutal with favoritism. Super pushover, thankfully he's rarely in charge of anything on the weekends.
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09-30-2016 , 02:25 PM
Ruling seems fine. Got to follow protocol.

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10-01-2016 , 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by pwnsall
Ruling seems fine. Got to follow protocol.

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Waiting for the floor to stop talking before dealing out the cards is not a meaningful part of the protocol.
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10-02-2016 , 06:21 PM
i feel like if you play a lot of live poker you have to price in these scumbag occurrences otherwise you'll just drive yourself insane
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10-03-2016 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Clayton
i feel like if you play a lot of live poker you have to price in these scumbag occurrences otherwise you'll just drive yourself insane
+ 1

Sometimes, you just gotta pay with the "wtf?" tax.

it was bad, but still not the worst ruling I've seen in the room.
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10-04-2016 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by rainmaker1855
but still not the worst ruling I've seen in the room.
What is the worst ruling you have seen?

I remember the worst I saw because it involved me...

It went something like this...raise pre multiway to flop, small bet on flop that goes multiway to turn.

First to act bets big, I have NFD and I'm not getting right price. As im adding up the odds, player Z behind me says call and tosses chips. I take another 5 seconds and realize that with player Z calling, I'll be getting the right price. As long as I don't raise, action doesn't change and player Z must call.

I call and player Z says he wants to fold now. Dealer let's him fold and half the table tells dealer that's wrong...

Floor comes over, dealer says player Z didn't see other players cards and called out of turn. Then player Z decided to fold when the player in between - me - called.

Floor let's player z fold and take his money back because he didn't see my cards Lolololol

I tell floor after the hand his ruling was wrong. The very reason he was called to the table is the reason player Z must call! Because he called out of turn!

Some of the chit that happens in that room just "bottles my mind"
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10-04-2016 , 09:48 PM
Not that it justifies the floor's ruling, but Horseshoe's rule on this issue is really peculiar. A player calling between the bettor and the out-of-turn caller does change the action. The idea that only a raise changes the action is misguided.
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10-06-2016 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by LifeRebooted
Not that it justifies the floor's ruling, but Horseshoe's rule on this issue is really peculiar. A player calling between the bettor and the out-of-turn caller does change the action. The idea that only a raise changes the action is misguided.

To add, never rely on your assumption of what the dealer/floor do. Sometimes they are completely wrong. I've been in this spot before at multiple casino/charity spots. I always just ask, is his action binding, then act accordingly.
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10-06-2016 , 09:10 PM
Do diamonds still go to top of list?
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10-06-2016 , 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BradleyT
Do diamonds still go to top of list?
Yes, Diamonds jump anyone who isn't Diamond or Seven Star and who has been on the list <30 minutes

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10-07-2016 , 03:49 PM
Has anyone played in the 50/100 mix game that seems to run every week? Seems to be the same group of 10-15 ppl playing anytime I peak at it. Does the player pool get bigger when the circuit comes to town?
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10-08-2016 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by StructureK
Has anyone played in the 50/100 mix game that seems to run every week? Seems to be the same group of 10-15 ppl playing anytime I peak at it. Does the player pool get bigger when the circuit comes to town?
The player pool will be a little bigger when the tournaments start. Otherwise the player pool is mostly regulars - a little larger than 10-15 people. There is renewed talk of trying for a smaller stakes (30/60) mix with fewer games in the mix on Thursdays. We'll try for this again starting this Thursday.
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10-09-2016 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by fritzwar
The player pool will be a little bigger when the tournaments start. Otherwise the player pool is mostly regulars - a little larger than 10-15 people. There is renewed talk of trying for a smaller stakes (30/60) mix with fewer games in the mix on Thursdays. We'll try for this again starting this Thursday.
Yep the pool will be bigger when the circuit comes to town, but from my experience it'll mostly be at least semi competent players. What the circuit will do however is that it may get less competent locals who aren't every - week regulars to come out, so the games CAN be better during the circuit depending on who's at the table (which usually determines how good the game is anyway). I know no one asked how good the game is, but just wanted to comment.

The Thursday games aren't gonna be successful IMO. It may run for a week or two, maybe even full games with a list, but somehow it always dies out. I don't see how the third attempt to make it a regular thing will be different.
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10-11-2016 , 04:15 PM
Should I expect a long wait for a seat at a 2/5 game on the evening of this coming Wednesday (the 19th) or Thursday (the 20th)? Would probably arrive around 8.
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10-12-2016 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MIB211
Should I expect a long wait for a seat at a 2/5 game on the evening of this coming Wednesday (the 19th) or Thursday (the 20th)? Would probably arrive around 8.
yes
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10-13-2016 , 10:33 AM
8pm no chance
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10-13-2016 , 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by grindcity662164
8pm no chance
No chance of a long wait or no chance I get a seat quickly? I'm happy to play some other stakes while I wait (1/2 or maybe PLO), just hate to sit there and not play.
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10-13-2016 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by MIB211
No chance of a long wait or no chance I get a seat quickly? I'm happy to play some other stakes while I wait (1/2 or maybe PLO), just hate to sit there and not play.
It's during the WSOP circuit series - you're going to have a long wait.
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