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05-01-2011 , 09:15 PM
Maybe what we can try is to use this thread to come up with a top ten list of things we as players would like to see changed or improved upon.

Altho we as 2+2 members do not represent the majority of poker patrons, at least we can come up with a list based on a collective and varied viewpoint. I can also get suggestions from regs, post any unique suggestions from them here, and we can thus broaden our grass root database.

When we settle on our top ten, I will try to get a face to face with table games management to present and discuss it with him, and I can also forward it to hwood casino corporate.

I think we can have an effect (or is it affect? i can never remember)

There are maybe 20 2p2 penn nat posters here (maybe more) and I am sure there are a lot of lurkers as well. Actually, if there are lets say 25 posters here who imput, and the voice of the 20ish daily regs i know that don't post here, that really does represent a good portion of the random patron.

So everyone, i encourage you to use this opportunity to voice your concerns about the poker room - lurkers please don't be afraid to chime in here.

Don't worry if you can't think of 10 things that bother you - even if it's only one, post it and we will put it up for consensus consideration.

I will also go back and peruse this thread and relist some of the common complaints from old posts, and of course, i have my own list which i will post.

Are there more than ten specific things that could be improved? probably - but let's not overwhelm them.

Let's give this a shot and see what happens. Commence complaining, i will put together a list and post it, if it seems to represent the top 10 I will do as promised above with list.
Spoiler:
By the way, if they find my body buried under the race track, will someone please let my wife and kids know i died for a noble cause?.......

Last edited by Ganaram; 05-01-2011 at 09:23 PM.
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05-01-2011 , 09:35 PM
Let the bitchfest begin, I don't mind starting it:

1. $6 f-ing rake
2. No BBJ or promotions period
3. Lack of consistency in rulings by dealers & floors
4. Not following no flop no drop, though I've noticed a few dealers don't follow/are unaware of their policy
5. No comps, why have Bravo and swipe cards otherwise?
6. Dealers chopping tips, gives zero incentive for bad dealers to get better and makes the good ones underperform
7. Lack of centralized management, I don't believe there is a room manager only game managers who seem to not be dedicated to poker specifically
8. Tournament structure, not exactly my cup of tea but from what I've heard and seen it runs like a superturbo, turning poker into bingo
9. Cage, nitpicking as I run out of steam, they have gotten better with coloring up and runners since the lolness in the beginning but a dedicated cashier would be appreciated, specifically for when it's time to cashout
10. $6 f-ing rake cuz it sucks just that much

Happy bitching, hoping it changes anything
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05-02-2011 , 01:33 AM
Give me a $4 rake, comps(1-2 bucks an hour), and 1 or 2 promo's a month (freerolls for players who put hours in and/or a BBJ) and i'm happy...Add in sugar free red bulls for free and I'm in heaven...

The rake is the biggest problem. Regardless of how unorganized they are, or how stupid some of the rules are - the rake is the number 1 problem. I would suggest doing a 5 dollar timed rake for the 2/5-5/10 games but with how some of the dealers are, that would turn into a war zone if the wrong few came into deal...
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05-02-2011 , 02:02 AM
yeah, when you account for the lack of game selection, rake structure, comp structure (lol?) etc, It's still maybe slightly better than spending the $75 to go to AC (from central PA) if you're looking for a 1/2 or 2/5 game... (lesser of two evils)
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05-02-2011 , 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Gilligan
Let the bitchfest begin, I don't mind starting it:

1. $6 f-ing rake
2. No BBJ or promotions period
3. Lack of consistency in rulings by dealers & floors
4. Not following no flop no drop, though I've noticed a few dealers don't follow/are unaware of their policy --> no flop/no drop is a policy that stays in AC and online. Their house rules say they can rake any pot that's +$10. (which sucks, obv)
5. No comps, why have Bravo and swipe cards otherwise?
6. Dealers chopping tips, gives zero incentive for bad dealers to get better and makes the good ones underperform
7. Lack of centralized management, I don't believe there is a room manager only game managers who seem to not be dedicated to poker specifically
8. Tournament structure, not exactly my cup of tea but from what I've heard and seen it runs like a superturbo, turning poker into bingo
9. Cage, nitpicking as I run out of steam, they have gotten better with coloring up and runners since the lolness in the beginning but a dedicated cashier would be appreciated, specifically for when it's time to cashout
10. $6 f-ing rake cuz it sucks just that much or at least rake $6 on flopped hands, and a $1/hr comp!

Happy bitching, hoping it changes anything

I agree!
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05-02-2011 , 06:02 AM
1) No $6 rake
2) BBJ, please
3) Consistent rulings from floors
4) Weekend tournaments
5) Dealer tips are pooled for a 24 hour period, it gives no motivation to perform well
6) Better tournament structure
7) At least $1 comps/hour, come on
8) I'd like to see $2/$4 LHE for when I'm really bored
9) No flop, no drop
10) Turn off the A/C sometimes
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05-02-2011 , 03:20 PM
Here's what I'd like to see:

1. NO FLOP, NO DROP.
2. SOME SORT OF HOURLY COMP FOR PLAYERS
3. PROMO THAT REWARDS PLAY (MONTHLY FREEROLL FOR LOGGING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CASH GAME HOURS, SOMETHING ALONG THAT VEIN)
4. TOURNAMENTS BEGINNING **ON TIME**
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05-02-2011 , 03:33 PM
No more PLO tourneys on Fridays now, apparently.

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05-02-2011 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Bdidd
any 2/5 regs in here?
I play 2/5 whenever I'm in the card room and the game is going.
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05-02-2011 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by sriverfx19
I play 2/5 whenever I'm in the card room and the game is going.
How does the 2/5 game compare to the 1/2 at Hollywood?
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05-02-2011 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by WhyUCall
How does the 2/5 game compare to the 1/2 at Hollywood?
It's different, at different times of course.

The game is a little tighter, but not much more aggressive, mostly it is almost as good as 1/2. You get some true nits in 2/5.

3 bets preflop are as rare as 1/2. Sometimes it is a little nitty during the slower times. There are some decent LAGs that play in 2/5 and I haven't seen any in 1/2 (at least not any that are winners). Mostly you see a wider area of styles - more LAG, TAG, nits and super LAG's.
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05-03-2011 , 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by sriverfx19
It's different, at different times of course.

The game is a little tighter, but not much more aggressive, mostly it is almost as good as 1/2. You get some true nits in 2/5.

3 bets preflop are as rare as 1/2. Sometimes it is a little nitty during the slower times. There are some decent LAGs that play in 2/5 and I haven't seen any in 1/2 (at least not any that are winners). Mostly you see a wider area of styles - more LAG, TAG, nits and super LAG's.
Sounds juicy, I'm building my BR at 1/2 right now but I'm excited to move up to 2/5.
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05-03-2011 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by WhyUCall
Sounds juicy, I'm building my BR at 1/2 right now but I'm excited to move up to 2/5.
Yeah, it's juicy a lot of the time.

You might be better off to move up and hope you run good. Because if you don't run good you will be back at 1/2 anyway.
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05-03-2011 , 02:26 PM
FYI All - playing late last night and the game got short, and we got half rake. Apparently the half rake standard of six or less players is back.
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05-03-2011 , 04:36 PM
Cool. I'll be becoming a regular there since online shut down and I finally got my bankroll.
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05-04-2011 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ComicalBlunder
FYI All - playing late last night and the game got short, and we got half rake. Apparently the half rake standard of six or less players is back.
Like everything else in this room I'm guessing it will depend on who the floor is.

One improvement I'd like to see is they should set up a weekly bus trip to Delware Park. I'd definitely come for that.
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05-05-2011 , 01:16 PM
Quick question fellas...you're telling me they rake pots that don't see a flop? I've done all my playing online and this seems absurd. What's the min rake in a 1/2 game then when I open and the rest of the table folds?
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05-05-2011 , 04:21 PM
Bingo, absurd indeed! Only other place I've seen this done is at Rio during the WSOP.
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05-06-2011 , 12:44 AM
Pot must be over $10 to take rake. So, if you raise UTG and everyone folds, then no rake. If you get 3 limpers, then you raise and everyone folds, they rake $1. Doesn't matter if you min raise or shove, it would still be $1 rake.

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Originally Posted by Steelerman
Quick question fellas...you're telling me they rake pots that don't see a flop? I've done all my playing online and this seems absurd. What's the min rake in a 1/2 game then when I open and the rest of the table folds?
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05-06-2011 , 01:57 AM
In theory, its 1 for 10. Do not be completely dismayed however. I specifically remember a hand raked pre flop. Being a nit, I called the floor, who clarified the bs house rule. The next hand dealt, I raised a straddled pot and won it contested. THAT pot was not raked! I've also seen some very large pots being raked $2, so the situation could be worse!
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05-06-2011 , 07:25 PM
5/10 NLHE going right now. Full table, small list. First time i've seen it run here.
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05-10-2011 , 06:05 PM
Played some 1/2 last evening from 5:30-10:30. Only 6 tables running in the room but two of them had some crazy action going on at them. Alot of money being thrown around for sure. I can confirm the half rake is happening. Dealer at our table when it first started said 6 players and under is half rake and that is the official room rule.
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05-10-2011 , 07:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilligan
Let the bitchfest begin, I don't mind starting it:

1. $6 f-ing rake
2. No BBJ or promotions period
3. Lack of consistency in rulings by dealers & floors
4. Not following no flop no drop, though I've noticed a few dealers don't follow/are unaware of their policy
5. No comps, why have Bravo and swipe cards otherwise?
6. Dealers chopping tips, gives zero incentive for bad dealers to get better and makes the good ones underperform
7. Lack of centralized management, I don't believe there is a room manager only game managers who seem to not be dedicated to poker specifically
8. Tournament structure, not exactly my cup of tea but from what I've heard and seen it runs like a superturbo, turning poker into bingo
9. Cage, nitpicking as I run out of steam, they have gotten better with coloring up and runners since the lolness in the beginning but a dedicated cashier would be appreciated, specifically for when it's time to cashout
10. $6 f-ing rake cuz it sucks just that much

Happy bitching, hoping it changes anything
cosign this entire post.
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05-10-2011 , 07:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilligan
Let the bitchfest begin, I don't mind starting it:

1. $6 f-ing rake
2. No BBJ or promotions period
3. Lack of consistency in rulings by dealers & floors
4. Not following no flop no drop, though I've noticed a few dealers don't follow/are unaware of their policy
5. No comps, why have Bravo and swipe cards otherwise?
6. Dealers chopping tips, gives zero incentive for bad dealers to get better and makes the good ones underperform
7. Lack of centralized management, I don't believe there is a room manager only game managers who seem to not be dedicated to poker specifically
8. Tournament structure, not exactly my cup of tea but from what I've heard and seen it runs like a superturbo, turning poker into bingo
9. Cage, nitpicking as I run out of steam, they have gotten better with coloring up and runners since the lolness in the beginning but a dedicated cashier would be appreciated, specifically for when it's time to cashout
10. $6 f-ing rake cuz it sucks just that much

Happy bitching, hoping it changes anything

What about no SNG's??? Why not give it a try?

Did they really cancel the Friday Omaha tourney? If so, great thinking Hollywood. Get rid of the one tourney that might have sparked some interest in a game besides freaking no-limit hold em.
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05-10-2011 , 08:39 PM
You guys do know no one is making you go there. right?

If they keep getting your business with all the issues that bother you, then they have no incentive to change.
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