If you or any others want to pick a weeknight to start a weekly game, I could ask mgmt at Cherokee if they would lock down one table for that game each week.

I would suggest 1/2 for now, market of bankrolled players goes down at PLO 2/5.

Sorry, meant 5/10 limit omaha hi. The game only ran for an hour or 2 short handed after the first hour. I was watching while playing 2/5 nl so didn't get to see a lot except for nobody folds anything and everybody goes to the river which is probably standard in omaha.

Played again Friday night. Played 498 hands, which is almost certainly a live session record for me - was trying to get to an even 500 hands but my table broke and I had a headache from hell so I took my profit and split - couldn't find any asprin in the casino at 4 am.

The two new tables helped the waiting times tremendously. They ran 4 tables of 1-2 NL, one of 2-5 NL and two of 3-6 limit.

A pretty good wait list developed for the 1-2 NL for about three hours during prime time, instead of pretty much all night, like last week, and it moved faster feeding into 4 tables than it did last week, without ever getting quite as long. Wait times were fairly short for the 3-6 and the 2-5.

Also, Lee Jones was there playing 3-6 limit. Turns out he lives in NC now. Not surprisingly, given his public image, he seemed like a pretty nice guy, he was very friendly and he didn't seem to mind at all that I dropped into the empty seat next to him and chatted with him for five minutes or so even though he was playing.

Also, Lee Jones was there playing 3-6 limit. Turns out he lives in NC now. Not surprisingly, given his public image, he seemed like a pretty nice guy, he was very friendly and he didn't seem to mind at all that I dropped into the empty seat next to him and chatted with him for five minutes or so even though he was playing

I think his book, Winning Low Limit Hold'em, is the best first read in poker manuals.

Off subject but related.
I understand the Casino in the Smokey's mountain. Great location ?
Is their a lot of construction? Does it take away from the overall experience?
What is the Casino, hotel and restaurants like?

I'll let others comment on their experiences with restaurants etc...

Only to say that living in NC I think the Smokies are one of the most beautiful places in the U.S. Visiting the casino just to see this part of U.S. is well worth it.

IMO, the Cherokee tribe has done an outstanding job on the overall casino design and it fits in wonderfully with the surroundings.

Here is some info from their website

http://www.cherokee-nc.com/index.php?page=38


Also, don't want to kick off a politcal debate, but this is their ancestoral land and culturally probably care alot more about it's natural beauty and sustainability than most non-natives.


Lou

Lee Jones... Pretty cool. I didnt know he lived around here. and agree on his book.

thanks for the update on our first celebrity spotting.

I just got back from playing there this weekend. I got there around 9pm on Saturday, and got on a ~30 person waiting list to play 1/2NL. Finally got a table a little after midnight and played for a few hours. The software was very easy to learn, and there even seemed to be a similar social atmosphere as playing with real cards and chips. It was a lot of fun, especially since I made my first ever live royal flush and even doubled up with it Most of the players were pretty soft as I expected, even though I didn't get seated at one of the tables with a super high average pot size.

Went back Sunday afternoon around 11:30am and got seated at a new table in about 15 minutes or so, and had a good time playing with most of the same people until I left around 5:30pm.

Overall it was a good experience, and I will definitely plan on making the trip back to play at least once or twice a month.

I was in NC on a golf vacation and popped in last friday when Lee Jones was there. I sat down at 3-6 for a minute before getting called to the 1-2 nl table, I said hi to him but he seemed like he really didnt want to be outed and preferred to play under the radar for whatever reason. The action at the 1-2 tables was sick with several players going from $50 to $700 in a matter of a few hands then back down again and avg. pots in the $200 range.

What is the standard preflop raise on these tables? Is it closer to internet poker (3-5 bb's) or live (5- 10 bb's)?

I've been four times but only played the 1-2 NL. Closer to internet poker. Initial raises usually to 7-10 dollars with occaisional odd bet sizes, including random huge overbets or min raises. Re-raises were all over the chart, however.

YMMV.

I went tonight for the first time. The tables were effecient and the action was decent at times. It's like sitting in a damn library though: Completely quiet except for when someone sucks out in a big pot. I asked one of the floors about running
pot-limit omaha, etc... he said the tables were capable but at this point management
had not ok'd that. WTF plays omaha limit hi?

I've been several times and I find that the 1c slots right next to the poker tables play very annoying music repeating over and over again that tilts the hell out of me while i'm playing.

I know what you mean about the slots. The annoying music just sticks in your head.

I make my first trip this weekend. I played $1/$2 NL. I really enjoyed my trip and the PokerPro tables. The tables had more of a "live feel" than I thought possible, with an electronic table. The games played a little bigger than the casino where I usually play due to the 150 bb max buy in vs. 100 bb max. I did see a big variation in tables ($30 avg pot to over $100 avg pot). The floor did a great job keeping seats filled although they seemed understaffed during peak times. IMO it's too much for one person to manage a long wait list. I will definitely be making future visits to play poker. I hope the casino is looking for a bigger area because I think they will end up needing more tables.

PTLou: If PokerTek can develop similar tables that are affordable, there is a big "home" game market. I know I would love to have one.

Yeah, I wish they would turn those down, or, better, take them out and put another poker table in!

Other day i was their and they were talking about possible having sng tuesdays. Anybody know if this happened tuesday or not?

Gummy

Poker room at Cherokee has gotten numerous requests for PLO. They have started spreading 1/2 PLO. I will check into when it runs, etc... and post some info here.

I will pass these comments along to managament. The planned, larger, permanent poker room as part of expansion will help alot with this.


Rawdog,

It is my understanding that a larger poker room is part of the current expansion. This will also help with the ambient slot noise mentioned above.

Home version of 10-seated PokerPro has been on drawing board for some time. Nothing definitive yet. I do believe there is a market for this, though its hard to say how big that market is.

I'll check into this .

Lou

That's it. That's all I need. It's a wrap. I am taking a Smokey mountain vacation in 2010.

Also, players have the ability to "go south" if the dealer does not move them to a new table, or keep screens locked.

For instance, it is around 1 am, and there are still 3 1/2 tables going. A player at table 1 has $1100 in front of him. He notices table 2 has a seat open that is not locked. He signs out of table one and goes to table 2, signs in, and buys in for $200.

Granted, the house should have seats locked to prevent this, but with one person running the room, they are having a hard time keeping up with everything anyways. It should be built into the software to keep track. Basically, if you sign out with 1200 and try to move to any table (of the same stakes), then it will "remember you".

Also, another annoying thing is when someone raises or bets, the bet amount (numerals) is placed over the chips and is hard to read. If the number was placed in front of the chips (between the chips and the "line"), it would be easier to read.

Most importantly, if you have any pull whatsoever over there, comps. There are a lot of regulars now, and we are up in arms because we are getting nothing. We can’t even get a red bull unless we are 7 star diamond whatever, and sometimes, even if you are 7 star, you can’t get a redbull (only if you’re playing blackjack). Granted we are not slot players, but there was way more people playing poker last night than blackjack players. Personally, I would be happy with just red bulls, but some type of appreciation would be nice, and go a long way.

Guitar,

Welcome to 2+2 and thanks for posting about your trip to Harrahs Cherokee in NC.

My understanding of "going south" (popularized by the infamous Freddy Deeb incident on HSP) is that a player cannot take some of their stack out of play on a game. PokerPro will not allow a player to do this. It will make a player by in for what they left with for XXX minutes on the same table (XXX set by casino)

Moving to another game is an interesting discussion. On one hand, t is another game with other players money. I can also see the side that it is the same thing as taking money off the same table.

We have not yet put the logic in to stop this. Our thinking was that floor would control who move from seat to seat on PokerPro and what the rules would be for there buy-in in the new game. I am not saying our design decision was correct. Would love to get some feedback from the players and poker room staff on how they handle this in their rooms for manual tables.

As far as comps... this one is on PokerTek not Harrahs Cherokee. The system has not been fully integrated with Total Rewards. We are working on this for them. I can't speak for the property. But will say that I know they are very excited about their new poker business and all the new poker players that are now coming up to their Resort. I believe they have plans for some sort of comp's in the poker room, but are waiting on us to make it possible for them to automate this process. I will post more information here on that when I can.

Lou

1/2 PLO H/L

Yep.

Eric started this game Friday around 5:00. I played for over five hrs; it was still nine-handed when I left; we never were below 8 players. Average pot size was a little over $100, 25 hands an hour.

All seven tables were running strong, 4-1/2 NL, 1-2/5 NL, 1-3/6 limit, and the PLO H/L table.

The staff was asking all of us for feedback on the room. Eric said comps were the #1 issue on the list.

Eric, along with David, Teresa and Derrick are doing a good job running the room. They really are; their energy level is very high, and one can tell they really enjoy working with people.

It's nice to have legal poker in the Carolinas.

bobaby

I know I was at Harrah's in Tunica about 6 months ago, and I saw a guy run up a stack to about $1900 on a 1/2 table and then they must-moved him. I noticed that he took all of the hundreds off the table (they allow hundreds there). So I asked the floor person about the policy, and he went over and made him put the hundreds back on the table.

This may require a new thread to see what the policy is in general.

I joined this game at about 7:15pm, and it was still going pretty well at 3:15am. I believe that five tables were still going at that time, but I am not sure which games they were.

It was nice to see a different game being played. I had never seen PLO H/L outside of the online world, and it was a pleasant surprise.

I actually broke in that omaha hl game with bobaby..It was a good game with lots of action. I also broke in the 2/4 stud game the day before. Now all we need our turneys and sit&gos.

Steamin

Welcome to 2+2. Its a good place. Just be careful with BBV. It is the crack cocaine of 2+2. Once you start you just can't stop. I am a recovering BBV-aholic. 12 days clean, one-day at a time

Anyway...

Stud ? Nice. I have only played stud in the office and not yet been able to watch it being played in a Casino. When you are not playing for real cash you miss alot about how the game plays.

If you dont mind me asking how did stud Play on PokerPro? What would you want improved on how we implemented that game?

Thanks

Lou

p.s. nice job on getting other games going up at Harrahs Cherokee. A poker room that offers more than just NLHE is a much more interesting poker room IMO. Glad there are other players that agree.