Congrats on the win and nice TR!

I spoke with a floor person the next day and they agreed the mix was a mistake with 2 NL and 1 fixed limit game. I do hope they continue run non-NHLE tourneys.

Is anyone going to be playing in any of the late December and holiday tourneys upcoming? I'll be making a trip to at least one of the series with the $29 guaranteed hotel rate. The last two trips I've played only cash but I remember a few tournaments in the past that were run and had a nice structure.

Looking forward to the good action as always at DD

Will likely play the $20k guaranteed on the 26th. Possibly the $15k guaranteed on the 19th as well.

There ended up being like a $5k overlay in this (and I final tabled, heh /brag). Decent structure too with 20k starting chips and 30 minute levels, though antes started fairly early. Might check out the $30k guaranteed this Saturday too.

Anyone play the daily morning tournaments here? Might play Thursday's 1115 en route to the beach since it appears my golf plans may be rained out. Wondering how many runners it usually gets and how long time wise it usually takes?

Played in three of the championship series tournaments. Cashed in two of the three. Wish I lived closer. This is a nice room with well run tournaments. Staff was competent and friendly. Hotel rooms for $49 over Labor Day weekend. The room put out free food for many of the tournaments. Cash games were very soft. Profitable trip for me and my poker buddy. As I said I wish I lived closer, I would live in this room.

Preflop opening ranges - Dover vs Harrington - 8 handed

I have minimal experience playing B&M MTTs, but not much experience playing B&M low stakes cash games, and the little experience that I do have with live B&M games was from playing at Harrington, DE a couple of years ago. I'm by no means an expert at the concepts but I'm comfortable enough with odds & outs, some poker math, counting combos, and some of the other mechanics of the game; but this time around, I want to focus more on absolute table positions and ranges and things like that. It's my understanding that I can get a room for $28 per night at Dover Downs just by playing 4 hours of poker. This would cut transportation expenses a good bit if I could break-even or win some $ on the low stakes tables. Then I could play the AM tourney, play some poker for 4+ hours, and also play the PM tourney before catching some sleep in a discounted room and repeating the process the next day. However, I only vaguely remember what the regs at Harrington were opening with and even if I did know exactly what their preflop opening ranges were, the regs at Dover (on average) may open much looser or tighter. So ...

For those who play the lowest stakes NLHE cash games available at Dover Downs (maybe near $1/$2, rake=%10 up to $5), I'm wondering what your opinion is of the preflop opening ranges that I've assigned to the 8 table positions below (I'm just guessing that I'm more likely to encounter 8 handed tables than 10 handed tables)? In other words, I'm wanting to get an idea of whether or not the preflop opening ranges that I've assigned to the 8 positions below is about what to expect from the general player population that I'll probably be up against, or are they way off (do I need to make the ranges much looser/tighter)?

And, if the ranges below are way off from what I should expect, which ones (and how) would you alter them? Just in case I'm using the poker jargon incorrectly, what I mean by "preflop opening ranges" are the holecards that I'd want to see a flop with. If I wasn't dealt a starting hand in the list, then I'd fold. I might call some hands up to 3-5 BBs preflop (like small pairs, if there's enough money behind to pay off a set); I may raise 3-5 BBs if there's no raise before me, but fold if there's a raise before me; and some hands might shove AI to a re-raise (3bet?). I wasn't really sure where to start. At first, I thought of maybe assigning about %13 to MP, because when I first started playing, I had read somewhere that that range would keep beginners out of a lot of troublesome spots. But, there were no range adjustments depending upon table position, so I more or less used that same range for each table position (only varying it by a small amount, depending upon villains' actions). Then, I thought, "That won't even come close to working. I've got to assign a min and max range to the SB and the BTN, and then fill in the blanks. That'll be easier to work out (but I still won't know if it's way off or not)." The numbered steps below outline my thought process(es), and then the resulting ranges follow those...

1) First, guesstimating them and going from what I vaguely remember of what they might be, I assigned a %3 range to SB and a %37.9 range to BTN.
2) Second, to find the %'s of what the 6 middle ranges might be, I arrived at an increment of 5. So, starting with the SB's %3 range and incrementing 5 each time gave me the %'s to use for the BB's through the CO's range. I could've been more precise, but I'm pretty sure that my method is somehow flawed, and the imprecision isn't that significant. I ended up with these %'s: %3, %8, %13, %18, %23, %28, %33, %38. Like I said, I should've used an increment that enabled me to start from the %3 range and end up at exactly %37.9, but %38 is not that far off from %37.9 (about 3 combos).
3) Using poker stove, I input the BTN's %37.9 preflop range and then just dumped some weaker hands until I arrived as close as I could to the desired %s. In the CO's case, it's %33. Working from the BTN towards the SB makes it easier - then the BTN's range can just be copied/pasted to the CO; remove some of the weaker hands and there's a range.
4) Rinse & repeat ...

The resulting ranges that I ended up with for each of the 8 table positions are:
SB: JJ, QQ, KK, AA, AKs, & AKo - (%3, 6 hands, 40 combos).

BB: JJ,QQ,KK,AA,AJs,AQs,AKs,KJs,KQs,QJs,AJo,AQo,AKo,KJ o,KQo. - (%8.1, 15 hands, 108 combos).

UTG: 77,88,99,TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA,ATs,AJs,AQs,AKs,KTs,KJs,KQ s,QTs,QJs,JTs,ATo,AJo,AQo,AKo,KJo,KQo,QJo. - (%13, 25 hands, 172 combos).

MP-mp: 77,88,99,TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA,A8s,A9s,ATs,AJs,AQs,AKs,KT s,KJs,KQs,QTs,QJs,JTs,A8o,A9o,ATo,AJo,AQo,AKo,KTo, KJo,KQo,QTo,QJo,JTo. - (%18.1, 32 hands, 288 combos).

MP2-mp: 55,66,77,88,99,TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA,A8s,A9s,ATs,AJs,AQs, AKs,K8s,K9s,KTs,KJs,KQs,Q8s,Q9s,QTs,QJs,J8s,J9s,JT s,T8s,T9s,A8o,A9o,ATo,AJo,AQo,AKo,K9o,KTo,KJo,KQo, Q9o,QTo,QJo,JTo. - (%23.2,
44 hands, 308 combos).

HJ-mp: 55,66,77,88,99,TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA, A8s,A9s,ATs,AJs,AQs,AKs,K8s,K9s,KTs,KJs,KQs,Q8s,Q9 s,QTs,QJs,J8s,J9s,JTs,T8s,T9s,98s, A8o,A9o,ATo,AJo,AQo,AKo,K8o,K9o,KTo,KJo,KQo,Q8o,Q9 o,QTo,QJo,
J8o,J9o,JTo,T9o. - (%28.1, 50 hands, 372 combos).

CO-lp: 22,33,44,55,66,77,88,99,TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA,A8s,A9s,ATs ,AJs,AQs,AKs,K8s,K9s,KTs,KJs,KQs,Q8s,Q9s,QTs,QJs,J 8s,J9s,JTs,T8s,T9s,98s,87s,76s,65s,54s,43s,32s,A8o ,A9o,ATo,AJo,AQo,AKo,
K8o,K9o,KTo,KJo,KQo,Q8o,Q9o,QTo,QJo,J8o,J9o,JTo,T8 o,T9o,98o. - (%33, 61 hands, 438 combos).

BTN-lp: 22,33,44,55,66,77,88,99,TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA,A2s,A3s,A4s ,A5s,A8s,A9s,ATs,AJs,AQs,AKs,K8s,K9s,KTs,KJs,KQs,Q 8s,Q9s,QTs,QJs,J8s,J9s,JTs,T8s,T9s,98s,87s,76s,65s ,54s,43s,32s,
A2o,A3o,A4o,A5o,A8o,A9o,ATo,AJo,AQo,AKo,K8o,K9o,KT o,KJo,KQo,Q8o,Q9o,QTo,QJo,J8o,J9o,JTo,T8o,T9o,98o. - (%37.9, 69 hands, 498 combos).

Well, that's about it. So, for those who play the lowest stakes NLHE cash games available at Dover Downs (maybe near $1/$2, rake=%10 up to $5), "How would you adjust/alter the above preflop ranges (IDK - they might be called continuation ranges?) for playing against the common player pool found on those tables?"

Feel free to critique the **** out of the above ranges. Think of it kind've like a prop bet, "Okay, if I had to sit down at an 8 handed table at Dover Downs; and I was to end up in the hole after 4-8 hours I'd have to donate $1,000 to some nazis somewhere." If you had to abide by a bet that was similar to that, what ranges would you want to be armed with against Dover Downs' average player pool? Thanks!

Muck......seriously?

I'm not going to respond to that wall of text in any detail, but games are significantly looser/better at Harrington than at Dover Downs, in my experience.

And THAT...is the only assessment that really matters here. Any casino that puts their poker room hidden away on the second floor, way away from any other decent floor gaming, is going to have little action, no walkby players, no entry level players. No curiosity seekers.

I'll never go back, unless there is a harness race I want to see. I'll keep going up the coast to Parx.

But on so many levels, the wallpost by muck is .....well, no comment. He's the kind of player who looks at me in amazement when he sees that I called for a gutshot straight on a dry board, when he has a big pocket, because its the style of play, the chips behind, what kind of spewy player they are, how much money I got in my pocket, what this guy does for a living, etc,etc,etc. that defines ranges for me.

You mean, you're tossing 4s5s from the small, in a six way pot thats bet to 4x the blinds? really...OK, Mr. grinder- have fun making that $20/hour rate your gonna grind out at 1/2. Other guys are going to play cards. And play each other.

Muck, you need to get in there and play, not treat this game like some eight grade science project. Just my two cents.

@DaveC95818. Yeah, I just need to sit down for a few buyins and see for myself. Their 2 tourneys a day is what I'm mostly interested in, but I'll have some time to kill while I'm waiting for the next one to start. I'll be getting dropped off, so I'll be on foot if I want to leave the premises. That leaves either NLHE cash games or Blackjack to pass time 'til the next tourney. I guess I could do some Video Poker, but I suppose all of their machines have 8/5 payouts.

At first, I was going to do the tourneys at Harrington, but Dover has more of 'em per week and they're cheaper to enter. Over the phone, Harrington throws about 2 per week for about $95 entry while Dover's entry is only about $35 and they have 2 per day (with more chips).

The last cash game that I played was at Harrington a few years ago and I think I tried something like %20 - (all pocket pairs - some of those just for set mining); 10+,10+; A2s-A5s; and A2o-A5o about %33 of the time. I remember that it seemed like players were: calling most of the time on the first two streets; and playing every AX preflop. And if an Ace hit the board then most players would fold most of the time. It was assumed (I guess) that someone that stayed in for the flop had an Ace. So, since I wasn't very good at ranging others, I'd mostly just watch showdowns while I was waiting for some decent hole cards.

"You mean, you're tossing 4s5s from the small, in a six way pot thats bet to 4x the blinds? ..." - DaveC95818. @DaveC95818 Yeah, I'd probably fold 54s preflop. It wouldn't be a quick fold, but I've not had much luck with suited connectors, unless they're both 10+ or thereabouts. It's probably due to me not knowing how to play them well enough. I mostly just go by my outs & pot odds on each street. I used to play some of the middling+ suited connectors, but over time, I think I lost more than I won with them so I just stopped playing them.
What would be a decent general strategy for playing something like 54s? I'm guessing maybe call preflop if the pot's 4 BBs or better, and fold the flop if you don't improve much (no top or mid pair, OESD, FD, or better)? For example in a six way pot, if I seen a flop of AsJc8s I'd want to stay in the hand if I had 5s4s (& outs/odds said call), but if everyone seemed to almost always call any AX hand preflop, then I'd probably consider folding unless the pot odds were better than what I'd normally need (ie- on a KsJc8s flop).

"Muck......seriously?" - DaveC95818. The OP was just to illustrate my thought processes while trying to come up with some generic ranges, in case anyone seen any major flaws with how I got them. In reality, I'd probably not play much less than the UTG's range (%13). %3 does seem outrageously nitty, but if everyone's playing AX hands and there's also 2-3 steal attempts each hand, something less than %13 might be valid (probably not, but I haven't done any EV calcs yet, so I have no idea what they'd say).

M- well, thanks for asking.
A hand like 45s I will play in EP, with the right amount in there. 6way, 4x, gives me a needed equity of about 16.5% , but that also does not speak to the implied. I can stack someone with that hand, much more so that say, AA, KK , AK, etc. Those hands play more face up, and I'm willing to speculate with hands that have much more implied equity than just straight equity. So, call me a loose player. Call me a player that has a wide range. Call me a recreation all player. Call me a player whose "good for the game". I drive people nuts when I turn over 3-6off for the nut straight, after a pre10$ bet in a 4 way. Btw, I'm totally guessing on the equity of 45s.....its just that, a.i really don't give a **** about the exact numbers, and b. I play more for the postfl and implied. With that particular hand, I'm looking to make a straight, not a flush, but I'll take the flush, just with more caution.

So, a dream flop of 2,3,k... No suits, or a dream flop of 2 in my suit, or the best flop of 2,3,6.....I'm checking all of that from the sb. It doesn't really matter, it my poor position that gonna dictate my post flop play. I either want to pot control it, or be able to checkraise into a giant.

Try playing a bit of a wider range pre, when you have some implied. Sure you'll only make maybe 5-8% of these hands, but your returns will cover your speculation. Most of the time, it's gonna be a check/fold anyways. And buying in full also helps.

Good luck. If I ever do hit Dover again, I'll send you a pm

Is anyone a Capital Club elite member? What are the benefits?

Im not but will be there on Tue & Wed Playing some poker and getting some Vlog footage. If I get a chance ill get the benefits info.

Does anyone know if they have a poker rate for the hotel during the Delaware Poker Championship?

I think it's $49 night.... I'll be there on Tuesday. I'll check


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It's 49 a night. They have a special rate code posted on Bravo. Satellites for the 100k guarantee start next Sunday.

Played in this weekend's tournaments, they were good.

I don't see the special rate code on Bravo, all I see is: "Hotel Rooms as low as $29 with 4 hours poker play".

Does registering for a tourney meet the 4 hour requirement? If I plan to play tourneys from Fri-Sun do I have to keep checking in and out, or will I be good to go for two straight nights without checking out?

Sorry I thought on Bravo. I'm not sure about whether tournament play counts toward the 4 hours. I play a combination of cash games & tournaments, never had an issue getting the $ 29 per night. I usually just book the dates I want then as I play each day the Poker Room Manager calls down to get rate reduced.

Good idea. I never thought about doing it that way. Thanks!

They ended there weekly cash back program this past Saturday. It is unfortunate because that is what was getting people to play. Also, they had gotten more games lately, had 3 tables of 1/2 during the week which I hadn’t seen in a long time.

Having trouble finding this info online.
Never been to dover downs.
Wanted to know if the poker room is 24 hours and if they spread fixed limit games regularly and at what stakes?
Bravo app shows no games or lists going.
Thanks

It's been awhile since I've been there, but unless they've changed they will shut down the poker room if there's no demand. Like if a game breaks when it gets late, so just shut the room down until the morning. But it's been a few years since I've been there so I apologize if this information is out of date.

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I was there today. They shut the room down around 4am and re-open around 10am. The only game running was 1/2NL. They had 2 tables. They said there is a 5/5 PLO game that runs on Friday and Saturday night.

They had high hands every two hours for $50. You can either take the $50 or spin the wheel for a chance at $300 but you can also walk away with 0.

After that spin, you can spin another wheel to 2x,3x,4x or nothing. The guy I saw spin lost the $50 on the first spin.

There's tournaments every night at 7. The daytime tourney they list rarely runs except on the weekends. There's free small snacks sitting on an empty table (pretzels, chips, peanuts, etc).

Seemed pretty well run for a small room. Didn't see a whole lot of big stacks. They tier matched with Caesars which was nice. $125 in free slot play with diamond total rewards and if you play poker for 6 hours (I think) on your first trip they give you an extra $300 in slot play. Obviously there's quicker ways to get the extra $300 via table games, etc.