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Old 09-28-2010, 08:36 AM   #1576
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honestly i think u guys misuse this thread for telling ur fun stories from the tables. There is so much bad bead stories and personal crap in here that it makes it often hard to follow what is happening in the room.

IMHO its not super interesting if people tell me they floped a flush one night they went to the room and lost the hand.
You have a point. I won't post hands on this board in the future, but will move that stuff to other threads if I have a need for feedback.

But, my post/link TR at another room was informational, as was the post on early registration for the "kickoff weekend". I posted that because I originally posted, as I was told, that we could register for this weekend tournaments as early as yesterday (Monday) for the Friday. Apparently, that's changed to Thursday, so it was a note worthy statement.

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Old 09-28-2010, 08:43 AM   #1577
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those tourneys arent even worth playing. its such a crap shoot, 20 minute blind levels thats insanity.
I did a little research on 'better casino" tournament structures. I also like blind levels that are longer then 20 minutes. But, 20 min's is a standard for levels for most tournaments where buy-ins are below 200.00. I've posted a link to the Borgata-Foxwoods-Venetian structures which bear that out. The first two are the "standard of the East". DP has offered a 30 minute blind for their Saturday, which this weekend has a 25k guarantee, $230 buy in (but, won't have that guarantee for the future). If you're a general Mid Atlantic tournament player and want to participate in tournaments, you really won't find better structures in AC or even most in Vegas for that matter. Here's a few comparisons

Delaware Park will have 5000 plus 5000 for another 5 bucks dealers fee or 10,000 starting stacks for anything over $100.00.

http://www.delawarepark.com/pdf/dailysched_oct1.pdf

Borgata

15,000 guarantee with 120.00 buy in. 10,000 chips, 20 minute blinds. The borgata has 25 minute blinds at a 170 plus 30. Below that buy in, it's 20 minutes

http://borgatacms.com/Main.cfm?Categ...1F0478F1254FE0

Foxwoods.- As you see can see if you scroll down, Foxwoods does not get above 20 minute blind until they move to a $230.00 buy in.

http://www.foxwoods.com/uploadedFile...lk%20april.pdf

The Venetian in Vegas will offer 30 minute blinds for buy ins less than $150.00 that I can find, but I should point out that those are 5000 plus 2500 (7500) starting stacks, where DP will start with 5,000 plus 5,000 (10,000. I don't know. Give a little, get a little?

http://www.venetian.com/uploadedFile...nSch092010.pdf

But, your point is well taken. I'd love to see longer levels and we may see them in the future. I suggest you make your case to the "boss man" Anthony or his number two on your next visit to DP. I think DP will have to be better than Foxwoods and The Borgata and I'd love to see a move to 25 or 30 minute blinds for the noon and 7 PM..

The whole point is that DP management are NOT idiots and did their homework before they released the tournament schedule and made sure that it was competitive. Perhaps, you....like myself..... are a cash game only sort of guy....like your name, but then, why the post? Tournaments will bring in cash players for ya.

I do think that they'll explore bigger buy in's and longer blinds, but unlike AC and Vegas, you don't know if DP patrons will support a larger $500.00 plus tournament. I'm sure Anthony is reviewing that possibility.

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Old 09-28-2010, 10:37 AM   #1578
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I did a little research on 'better casino" tournament structures. I also like blind levels that are longer then 20 minutes. But, 20 min's is a standard for levels for most tournaments where buy-ins are below 200.00. I've posted a link to the Borgata-Foxwoods-Venetian structures which bear that out. The first two are the "standard of the East". DP has offered a 30 minute blind for their Saturday, which this weekend has a 25k guarantee, $230 buy in (but, won't have that guarantee for the future). If you're a general Mid Atlantic tournament player and want to participate in tournaments, you really won't find better structures in AC or even most in Vegas for that matter. Here's a few comparisons

Delaware Park will have 5000 plus 5000 for another 5 bucks dealers fee or 10,000 starting stacks for anything over $100.00.

http://www.delawarepark.com/pdf/dailysched_oct1.pdf

Borgata

15,000 guarantee with 120.00 buy in. 10,000 chips, 20 minute blinds. The borgata has 25 minute blinds at a 170 plus 30. Below that buy in, it's 20 minutes

http://borgatacms.com/Main.cfm?Categ...1F0478F1254FE0

Foxwoods.- As you see can see if you scroll down, Foxwoods does not get above 20 minute blind until they move to a $230.00 buy in.

http://www.foxwoods.com/uploadedFile...lk%20april.pdf

The Venetian in Vegas will offer 30 minute blinds for buy ins less than $150.00 that I can find, but I should point out that those are 5000 plus 2500 (7500) starting stacks, where DP will start with 5,000 plus 5,000 (10,000. I don't know. Give a little, get a little?

http://www.venetian.com/uploadedFile...nSch092010.pdf

But, your point is well taken. I'd love to see longer levels and we may see them in the future. I suggest you make your case to the "boss man" Anthony or his number two on your next visit to DP. I think DP will have to be better than Foxwoods and The Borgata and I'd love to see a move to 25 or 30 minute blinds for the noon and 7 PM..

The whole point is that DP management are NOT idiots and did their homework before they released the tournament schedule and made sure that it was competitive. Perhaps, you....like myself..... are a cash game only sort of guy....like your name, but then, why the post? Tournaments will bring in cash players for ya.

I do think that they'll explore bigger buy in's and longer blinds, but unlike AC and Vegas, you don't know if DP patrons will support a larger $500.00 plus tournament. I'm sure Anthony is reviewing that possibility.
yeah im all for having the tourneys i guess the structure isn't that bad, i'd rather it be 40 minute levels. i just won't be playing in them, the cash games are gonna be real fishy this weekend.
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Old 09-28-2010, 10:44 AM   #1579
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those tourneys arent even worth playing. its such a crap shoot, 20 minute blind levels thats insanity.
The round lengths aren't the key, the blinds progression and stack ratios are the "crapshoot" determinating factors. I could pretty easily structure a tourney with 10 minute blind levels, which you'd find very favorable and conducive to deep-stack poker (other than the irritation of dealing with blind changes, mid-round)..... as long as I had most of the day to actually run the tourney.

What, in your mind, is the lowest standard tournament duration before it's no longer a "crap shoot" in your definition?
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Old 09-28-2010, 11:12 AM   #1580
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I've tried a few searches (and yes I probably just used the wrong search terms) but do the sit-n-go tourneys ever run at D.P.? The structure looks line an on-line super-turbo, but that can be fun once in a while. I've never been there and SnG's would give me another reason for the extra drive past Chester.
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The round lengths aren't the key, the blinds progression and stack ratios are the "crapshoot" determinating factors. I could pretty easily structure a tourney with 10 minute blind levels, which you'd find very favorable and conducive to deep-stack poker (other than the irritation of dealing with blind changes, mid-round)..... as long as I had most of the day to actually run the tourney.

What, in your mind, is the lowest standard tournament duration before it's no longer a "crap shoot" in your definition?
I also find it hilarious that people in poker rooms always ask "what's the starting stack?" If you say 1,000, they say "oh that's not very much" and if you say 10,000, they say "oh wow, that's a good tournament."

In both cases, they never even ask at what level the blinds begin, let alone how long are the levels.

The proper question should be: "how many big blinds do you start with?"
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Old 09-28-2010, 02:33 PM   #1582
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I might stop in to DP this coming weekend to check it out on the way to PA to visit family. Hopefully I'll be able to get seated in a reasonable amount of time if I'm able to stay and play. Could be pretty packed given the big tournaments on the schedule.

Aside: I just had to delete a bunch of off-topic posts. Please keep the thread on-topic.

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You have a point. I won't post hands on this board in the future, but will move that stuff to other threads if I have a need for feedback.

But, my post/link TR at another room was informational, as was the post on early registration for the "kickoff weekend". I posted that because I originally posted, as I was told, that we could register for this weekend tournaments as early as yesterday (Monday) for the Friday. Apparently, that's changed to Thursday, so it was a note worthy statement.
This. There's nothing wrong with mixing in a little trip report action with information about the room. Although they're usually worthy of their own thread rather than just a post in an existing thread, even bare trip reports can be somewhat helpful because it gives you an idea of the level of play in the room. Sure, the sample size is small, but it's still decent info.

Please use the low-content thread to discuss the issue of what should and shouldn't be in room-specific threads or PM a mod if you have questions. Thanks.
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Old 09-28-2010, 02:38 PM   #1583
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I personally enjoy reading the trip reports. I am sure most of us have seen just about every bad beat story in the world. However, it's still comforting when you are running bad to just vent or to read that other people actually run bad at times too. If this if off topic or frowned upon, I hope a moderator will advise and I will not post any of the sort.
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Old 09-28-2010, 05:46 PM   #1584
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I got to spend some time at DP last night/this morning for the first time in several weeks. I got there at around 2 AM and there were 3 1/2 games, 1 2/5 and maybe a 3/6. In the space of several hours, the 1/2 table I sat at would break, then the next one broke and eventually there was only one table in action. When I left at around 7:30 AM I walked around a little and passed the table and saw it 5-handed. It is possible that soon afterward the room was empty for the first time since cards first went into the air but I didn't stick around to see.

It was also the first time I left DP playing 1/2 with a profit, $205 to be exact. I left the 3/6 HORSE game in the black before but not Hold 'Em and I was pretty pleased with how I played save for when a terrible player came from 2/5 and dropped three buy-ins playing crazily. I gave some money back playing pots with weakish holding trying to get some of his donations but they were multiway pots and I should have saved my money. Lesson learned.
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I've tried a few searches (and yes I probably just used the wrong search terms) but do the sit-n-go tourneys ever run at D.P.? The structure looks line an on-line super-turbo, but that can be fun once in a while. I've never been there and SnG's would give me another reason for the extra drive past Chester.
SNG's run 24/7 at DP with one starting every 30 min's (guess). But, during the week for most is samller size. Weekends, it's a mixed bag, but they run all the time. It seems like most they've been calling are 65.00, but this link list them as 45 and 85. Maybe I need a hearing aid.


http://www.delawarepark.com/pdf/sitandgo_sept102.pdf
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Is it recommended to preregister for this weekends tournaments or do you think there will be plenty of seats available?
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Old 09-28-2010, 07:53 PM   #1587
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I might stop in to DP this coming weekend to check it out on the way to PA to visit family. Hopefully I'll be able to get seated in a reasonable amount of time if I'm able to stay and play. Could be pretty packed given the big tournaments on the schedule.

Aside: I just had to delete a bunch of off-topic posts. Please keep the thread on-topic.



This. There's nothing wrong with mixing in a little trip report action with information about the room. Although they're usually worthy of their own thread rather than just a post in an existing thread, even bare trip reports can be somewhat helpful because it gives you an idea of the level of play in the room. Sure, the sample size is small, but it's still decent info.

Please use the low-content thread to discuss the issue of what should and shouldn't be in room-specific threads or PM a mod if you have questions. Thanks.

I hope you enjoy the room. I'll be there Friday and Saturday if you want to get a beer (I'll buy), but you might not want anything to do with me. I probably owe you a beer due to some of my PM outbursts. I was at DP today to practice tournaments by playing the 11 AM. I still suck.... 45 of 89. It looks like more changes to exactly when you can register for the tournaments. Confusion seems dictated by the De lottery. I was told today, that registration for the Friday will open Midnight Thursday and not anytime sooner.

On a sad note, our...... or was it only me...my/our request for pretty girls in skimpy uniforms won't happen anytime soon. That's right, I interviewed nobody. That's food and beverage's call and what do they know about guys who play poker. Can those pants/shirt uniforms get less sexy? No noticeable polls for dancers in the room and the plastic curtain has come off. One of the nicest rooms I know of. Take a look if you're there before Friday. It's done..finished...ready....To get to it, same floor...maybe 50 to 75 yards straight towards the paddock, past the present restroom area. Across from the Bistro Restaurant.

Any guys coming down for the first time, park your car on the paddock side of the track. (To the right facing the front). The side the golf course club house is on. If your carrying big money, park near a trolley stop and ride back to your car or valet it (4 bucks). They may move your car after midnight, but they have two valet drop offs and one is 24/7. There is a close tunnel entrance under the rail tracks, but is hard to explain how to get to. That's what I use. Don't park on the left (near Rt 7 golf holes, but not the clubhouse) unless you have hiking boots or are fat and in need of a workout.

Has anyone heard about this opening anywhere except in the room or on two plus two. They have a marketing department, but they may not know poker either.

I'm told that 40% of tournament players stick around to play cash for a while. Good for us.
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Is it recommended to preregister for this weekends tournaments or do you think there will be plenty of seats available?
250 seats should be plenty for everyone
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Old 09-28-2010, 09:27 PM   #1589
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About tournament structures... most low buyin tournaments are designed to bring in players and get them to the cash games. This is why they go by so quickly.
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About tournament structures... most low buyin tournaments are designed to bring in players and get them to the cash games. This is why they go by so quickly.
Well, that... and they don't want to staff them to run until 3 a.m. either, ESPECIALLY during the week.

They want regular participation, so they need to end tourneys at a "reasonable" time for non-pokergeeks.
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