I'd be down for a PLO/NLH mix...but what if we did PLH instead of NLH? Might make it slightly harder for people to bust and leave, u know? And yea, this weekend's a little fast for me...but mention it again next week and I'll almost definitely be there.

1/2 PLO plays like a much bigger game than 1/2 NLH...so I think that the concern that people will busto in NLH and not be there for PLO is a little unwarranted.

What would the buy-ins be for this mixed game...because 1/2 PLO is typically 200-1000 at DP (I think) and 1/2 NLH is 100-300.

Can someone ask DP floor management?

That's all you need to do! My experience with DP management on mixed games is that they will do what the players want. If you want to play 1/2 NL/PLO mix, I really think they'd allow that game to play like the five game. Therefore, you guys could put a max loss on a hand. I agree the size of the plo game scares off some NL players the way it plays now. The five plus game plays at 300 max loss per hand, but is unlimited in buy in because it's made up of limit games in addition to plo and nl.. Either Anthony or his number two can make a decision and my experience again, is that they want to please the players. If I was going over and wanted to play a two game mix tomorrow night with a max loss per hand, I'd simply ask and start the list. Heck, throw in a round of 5/10 08 or even 8/16 and you're home free with a three game mix, unlimited buy in, protection for the NL players and happiness for the PLO guys. The problem with this game is it might take away from the PLO game which runs most Friday's anyway. But, if you got a mix nl/plo and a PLO going, Anthony would be happy.

I'm almost sure it has not. The question will be what is the buy in and will you have a max loss per hand. The max loss per hand will solve question one, as who cares what you buy in for if you have a max loss per hand. Therefore $200 to $1000 like plo is not nearly as important.

Let's give O8 a try on Saturday, Feb 26th.
Start the board. I will be there at noon.

I'd love to come. Got to see if the kid situation allows. I'll sign on the waiting list as Dean327 if I make it.

In the first month that DE Park's poker room was open, there was a 5/5 NLH/PLO mix game run at least one time (if my memory serves me correctly). I believe some people basically brought their home game in.

I am heading down tonite and i will post 1/2NLH - 1/2 PLO mix game on the board and see what happens.

I will post here with further info re the attempt.

Also, as for an O8 game tomorro (sat) as long as i don't stay to late tonite, i will head over for that as well, but only if it's PLO8 1/2 - i'm not really interested in playing limit O8 - MDcrab, why don't you go ahead and board it tomorro and we'll see what happens.

Cheers

4/8 LO8 w/ 1/2 kill has been solid for several weekends in a row now. I really like LO8, but at the same time I think the rake is just brutal at that limit. Who is up for $6/12 with yellow ($2) chips? That's gone once or twice in the past. With yellow chips, you could kill it to $10/20. Sweet.

6/12 with a kill to 10/20 might actually play like a real game instead of the roulette that 4/8 is with everyone simply anteing 4 bucks preflop and on the flop.

In my limited sample of Dover, I thought $1-2 NLH was softer there than DP. Weekends you'll see other options at DP, e.g. Omaha(8), PLO, and a mixed game about monthly($4-8 or $5-10). I like both rooms.

That doesn't surprise me as you probably have more strong players from MD and south jers who used to just go to A.C. i should check out dover some time.

I'll be over sometime today.Has anyone asked about the timing of the room flip lately? Work is really interfering with poker.

fwiw DP has the softest 1/2nl games ive played, there are only a couple good players and they are not hard to spot. Then again i think wherever you play 1/2nl the games are goin to be soft as baby****

The thing with Dover is that there are a lot of regs. Some are better than others but there isn't nearly as many tables in Dover as there are in Delaware Park.

A couple of things.

The coverall Board is up now in the tournament room, but is not in play until the move. The move has been pushed back a little, with it not happening until at least after the "Bracket Challenge" which will be March 16. The "Coverall Board" is located near the cage in the present tournament room on the wall. Looks good and well made wood (expensive) so I believe the coverall promotion is planned to be an ongoing thing.

The 4/8 game is changed effective today to a yellow chip game. Anthony said that since the rake is 2.00, it might as well play with a 2.00 chip.

As of today, there are about 25 people already registered for the "bracket challenge" for March 16. I'll probably go over Monday or Tuesday and get mine just so I know I have it. I already scheduled something that is irreversible with work so that I have all of Tuesday night 3/16 and Weds 3/17. My plan is to pull an all night-er. I've had conflicting answers about wild cards. Today I was told that if you bust in round one, and you are still there in round two, three and four that your name is eligible to move on. Therefore. bust in round one and play in round four. I thought the raffle drum would have only the names of players who busted in the previous rounds. I'll look for clarification on that one.

Only 2 people on the mixed interest list when I left at 6:30. I never added my name because I was only "allowed out" for 2 hours.

Horrible, terrible, atrocious, ridiculous, absurd decision. That game was already the tightest game I've sat in in MY LIFE (with the exception of a geriatric Sunday-morning aces-cracked game) last week. It's bad enough the fixed-limit games have an average age of 72. Do we really need to subdue the action further?

Also, the fact that DP wouldn't even start an interest list for 3/6 was a bit annoying.

Finally, has the tournament structure changed since late fall? Seemed faster last week (first time in a few months).

I'm kinda bummed that DP is pretty much the only game in town. The decision making has been going downhill imo.

I'm interested in why you don't like it as a yellow chip game. Now, with the rake and change from the dealer, there are a lot of red chips that get into the game. Whites will still play and you need whites for tips. Yellow chips simply take the reds out, which should make for bigger "looking" pots.

What are the other decisions lately that you think are going down hill?

No change to the tournament stucture that I'm aware of.

I would talk to Anthony (or his second) the next time you're in the room. If you don't see him, have a floor call him if he's in his office. I've always found him very accessible and honest. I know you're right about the interest list for 3/6, but why would you want to play that @ 4.00 rake when 4/8 is a 2.00 rake? Can you beat 3/6 @ 4? The problem with getting rid of 4/8 is that the entire 2.00 rake thing was put into place to get the limit games higher. Ssssshhhhh, i know it's not been working real well, but it's a 2.00 rake. If 3/6 comes back, the 2.00 rake goes away. We need to understand that the 4/8 game is not profitable at a 2.00 rake. (del lottery takes a third off the top I think, so the room rakes 1.35 or less than 35.00 bucks an hour @ 25 hands, assuming those are 20.00 pots) Any room would much rather spread 3/6 @ 4 than 4/8 @ 2 and Delaware Park would do much better spreading 2/4 and 3/6 both @ 4.00 rake. They already know this, but won't put the more profitable 3/6 up for fear of killing the less profitable 4/8 game. Look at the Taj which spread both 2/4 and 3/6. But, I like to play limit too. Much rather play 4/8 @ 2.00 than 3/6 @ 4 though. But, I also like NL so I'm not stuck when the 4/8 is not running.

The bigger issue is that you can't always find the 4/8 game running and I don't know what to say about that. 3/6 would go all the time, but again, can you beat it at 4.00? Does it become "no foldem holdem"? It's hard and i know a lot of you guys would much rather play 3/6 @ 4.00 than 2/4 because of a lack of 4/8 @ 2.00. I don't think there's an easy answer. We just have to remember that the 2.00 rake is a big deal that won't be there if they change things back, but I hear your frustration. All games outside of AC limit except Dover rake 5.00....Chester and Parx (which doesn't have a 3/6) included. Charlestown has a 3/6 game with a 6.00 time rake (120 bucks an hour gone off the table). I think Hollywood Penn National has a 3/6 game @ 6.00 max. How can you beat those? Does Dover spread 3/6? Limit is tough at these levels because if too much goes into the rake box, there can be only a few winners except the room.

I was in the game yesterday; it was a big improvement.

1) The whole "pot size" argument... you would have a point if the game was played 100% white chips, but that's not the case. On the turn and river, people putting up 2 red chips to bet/call or 3 red chips to raise actually makes the pot "shrink" after you make change.

1a) Kill pots used to be mostly red chips. Now they look huge.

2) Making change takes time. Time is money, for both you and the house.

3) Tightest game you ever played in your life? LOL! That game has 4-6 people seeing every flop. A few of the regulars will literally limp ATC all day long. Sorry you lost money in a great game.

My personal preference would be 100% white for that game, but that wasn't happening. Waiting for seniors to cut out 24 chips for a raise in a kill pot would pretty much suck anyway.

Sorry I missed the game; family commitments. If you organize one again be sure to post it here. Want was the table min/max buy in?

I don't see the problem with red chips in the 4/8 games. Using only smaller chips (yellow or white) just means that your stack takes up more space.

Say you win a few kill pots in a short amount of time. You're easily up to around $500. In reds, that 5 stacks of 20. In yellows, that's 12.5 stacks and in whites, that's 25. If a few people at the table have stacks this big, the table gets pretty crowded.

Now, I know I'm being optimistic here, but it's still an issue to consider. I know I'd rather spend more time playing poker than stacking chips.

Red chips in low-limit games is the absolutely worst, crappiest, *********, epidemic I've seen since playing regularly again on the east coast.

That people insist having stacks of red in a 4-8 game baffles my mind. It slows the game down.

Especially tilting is this one super-nit at the 4-8 over at Harrah's Chester (where I've been playing a bit lately due to the BBJ) who insists on trying to make the game 5-10 because "using red chips is easier". I almost wanted to get into it with him one night when he cried about the dealer having to make change for everyone's red chips when I told him "You know, if you played with the white chips like you should be doing, the dealers wouldn't have this damn problem."

The 4/8 LHE goes most days if not almost all days.......on a Friday and Saturday without a doubt. Yesterday the 4/8 LHE and 4/8 08 were both going when I left. Remember the 08 game is @ 4 rake, but the HE is @ 2.Sunday during football season they had a problem with 4/8 LHE going, but I suspect it will go today, though it is not on the board now.

Trust me, the game plays faster with yellow. Players that were actually in the game thought so. Dealers liked it better as well. But all that is moot: the house knows how many hands/hour they're getting... if I'm wrong then I'm sure we'll be back to white+red soon enough.

Seriously guys... it only took the seniors an orbit or two to get it down, and they didn't even complain about it.