I realize this is both a longshot and way OT but does anyone know of a place in the Madison area where I can get a CO2 canister refilled that is open on Saturday? I've found a ton of places but all are closed on weekends.

Yep.

The jackpot hasn't seemed to make much of a difference in the player pool this place is still pretty reg heavy.

I lost my desire to find games in town years ago and I've been saying for years I want to go to DeJope sometime to give it a try.

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It's obviously a bit different than playing with real cards and chips but I prefer it over driving all the way to the Dells or Milwaukee

You get more hands an hour and it's easy to keep track of pot size because the amount is on your screen. There are people that claim the game is rigged because they see a couple bad beats or something else "crazy" but it's not true. The manufacturer of these tables wouldn't have any benefit of making a rigged game.

I agree that it's extremely unlikely that the game is rigged (i.e. Seat 5 gets better cards than the statistical average so the casino sits someone specific in that seat). The maker has nothing to gain and everything to lose if they were to get caught.

A couple of people I've talked to think it's rigged to "create action" so that pots are larger and the casino takes bigger rakes (i.e. set over set). I find this unlikely as well, but more likely than the example above.

What do you think the likelihood of this is and has anyone done any statistical analysis on the cards dealt to them?

Bucky

My name is Lou. I'm pretty familiar with the PokerPro system (it was invented in my basement), I served as CEO during product development, and am still very involved in the company.

PokerTek, the manufacture is a publically traded company and listed on Nasdaq (PTEK)

PokerTek and most of its officers were licensed in NV, NJ and many other gaming jurisdictions around the world

PokerPro has been tested and certified by the leading gaming equipment testing labs in the world including but not limited to NV, NJ, Michigan, Ontario, Quebec, Queensland Australia, and most importantly Gaming Labs International (www.gaminglabs.com), the worldwide leader in equipment testing and certification for both brick and mortar and legal online gaming.

We start each hand by randomizing a 52 card deck. That deck is fixed for the remainder of the hand (you wouldn't know it but to keep it real, PokerPro actually burns and turns as cards are dealt)

I can say with absolute certainty that PokerPro provides a random shuffle.

You were correct above in your skepticism to the claims. To assert any "riggedness", would be to assert that all gaming equipment in all casinos in the world is also likely rigged to cheat players.

Thank you all for playing on PokerPro at Ho Chunk.

Lou

What games usually run on weekends? 1/2 NL and 1/2 PLO? How many tables?
Thanks

It's typically 2-3 1/2 NLHE games. There use to be a .50/1 PLO Hi low game on Wednesday nights but that seems to have broken up. Only seen another PLO game run probably 4 or 5 times since I've been going here. Once in awhile there might be a few names on a 2/5 NLHE list but that's another game that hardly ever gets going.

There is no way that the game is rigged, it wouldn't benefit the stakeholders enough to take that risk. On the other hand I think its outstanding that people blame losing on the system being rigged.

This is not outstanding. Guess what happens when people blame the software/hardware? They stop coming to play.

Thanks for chiming in on this thread. Much appreciated.

Since you are still involved with the system, I'd like to suggest that someone from the company set something up with DeJope to squash all skepticism about the authenticity of the software to prevent people from quitting. Now what that may be, I'm not sure. I'm not a Marketer. Perhaps educating the poker room staff at Dejope is a good start and providing literature to the players about PokerPro and PokerTek.

Or just let paranoid people be paranoid

Good point. I shared my post with room mgmt to share same basic info to other players (vast majority of which don't read 2+2)

I'll also see if they can post some general info to help answer questions and relieve rec players anxiety on this.

poster above was correct in that its all too easy for new losing players to simply blame PokerPro, when in fact they are just losing players. these are the player we want in the room to keep the room ecosystem growing.

Better communication in the room will help

I think you are putting way too much faith in people. Slot machines & table games are openly rigged in favor of the casino but people keep playing them. I think that people falling out of the player pool has more to do with limited disposable income than it does with a perception that the game is rigged.

2/5 NLHE ran today, it was nice to see a sustained game other than 1/2. Hopefully the game runs more regularly!

Federal judge rules poker pro tables violate state compact

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/loc...af66526b3.html

Will be interesting to see how it plays out, but expect the room to stay open as the tribe will probably appeal this ruling.

Side note was just there recently, and made a quick $700 playing 1/2. Lots of table talk in 3+ way hands before action was complete. One idiot agreeing to check it down on the river with his friend while a third person was still in the hand. To his friends credit, he said that would be collusion.

Another funny hand I saw someone muck the nut full house while he was on the phone with someone. He actually showed the table since he didn't have insta muck selected. House rule is no using your phone during a hand you're in, but the floor person was sitting behind him staying silent.

They announced last night that the room is closing on 11/14/14. They said the decision was made because of lack of business and had nothing to do with the the recent lawsuit regarding the gaming compact. I thought the room was great and the competition was exceptionally soft, it is a shame to see the room close.

so is it closed?

Yep closed now, it was fun while it lasted. RIP DeJope poker room.

Anybody know if it'll reopen?