5-5 is the bunch of biggest nits in the world at crown during the weekdays, it is ridiculous, 5 asian friends sit on th eone table thats open during the day wont ever play a hand agianst each other and give no action unless abs premiums

The game setups at Crown have completely changed this week, heres a basic overview but missing some specifics

1/2: $80min/max buyin with $20 rake I think. It probably wont get run on the weekdays, only weekends to entice new players to play. Its ran in the 'hot zone' away from the main poker area. Crown management told me they dont want players playing 1/2, they only want to use it as a recruiting tool for 1/3+

1/3: $80-$200 ($5 seat fee, 10% 12$ cap)
2/4: $200-$400 ($5 seat fee, 10% 12$ cap)
5/5: $300-$700 ($10 seat fee, $10 10$ cap)
5/10: $800-$2,000 ($25 per hour)

The seat fee is a one off charge when you first arrive at the table. You arent charge another seat fee at any other point, unless you request a transfer in which you pay a new seat fee at your new table. Some people tend to struggle with the concept, but its NOT a time charge and you dont pay it every hour. Its a one off. There could be an argument for the point of it but w/e

The 5/5 rake is 'cheaper' effectively because there is no time charge. Its only cheaper if you play longer than an hour though obviously. The rake is still the same.

Crown made the changes because 2/5 was dying and they felt 2/3 was a monstor bigger than they wanted. They desire a greater spread amongst the limits. Not sure if this setup will work but we'll see. I feel 2/4 will become the game of choice for at leas 60% of the players. I think 5/5 could die as a result of this, or become like the 50/10 and not run every night

The 5/10 currently gets up a few times a week and is usually a pretty good game. What people need to realise though is the 5/10 isnt the beez neez of the poker room. I've seen players act shocked and disgusted when not getting royal treatment at a 5/10 table, or when they see supervisors not bowing to every demand to try to keep the game running. It still only generates the same rake as a 2/3-2/5 table, probably less. I dont see how people think the 5/10 is important to the room.

The games were pretty decent over the APPT with 5/10/20 and 25/25/50 PLO getting up basically every day with great action. There have been flurrys of decent 5/10 games with some pit game gamblers have a NLHE urg, with a very juicy 50/100 NLHE game getting up over a few nights that was 'printing money' apparently.

So theres just an update of the room and its new changes. Hope it works out.

thx for the update, would you say those that play in the 5/10 would be able to hang in say the aria/bellagio 5/10 or is the standard much worse? I mean in the past I used to hear aussies say that they get killed in vegas playing equivalent stakes just wondering that's all...

also does PLO get up and running much?

lastly, are people at crown generally more excited about upcoming Aussie Millions or WSOP-AP in april? which event do you think will get more cash action?

thx again.

I went over for the first time on the week just gone.

I ran really well in tournaments (cashed 3/5 including the Main) but was a little disappointed by the organisation in the room particularly when there were multiple events on.

With the new limits if they try and run 2/4 with red and white chips is going to be a complete cluster****.

They would be better off dropping all x/3 games and have a 1/2, 2/5 and a 5/10 game. Or drop the 1/2 and have 1/3, 5/5, 5/10.

Small correction on 1/2. Yes the rake is 10% to max $20, but the minimum buy-in is just $20! No sit down or hourly charge, but still, WTF! Many moons ago 1/2 was 10% to max $6 with a $5 hourly charge. Oh how the Americans must laugh at us.

Who the hell cares about using red/white chips in a 2/4 game?
Really hope the 1/3, 5/5, 5/10 idea is a level.



The table seat chsrge is a joke. Obvious attempt to punish transfer requests coz sups too lazy to do it.

The fact your playing 3-5 hands an hour less while dealers are consistantly making change...

That is a reason to have them in play do they don't need to make change.

One thing that was super ******ed is crown consistently putting new/sht dealers in time charge games (2/5). With the new structure at least this can now stop. Unless they try this **** at 5/10.

I played 2/4 at the weekend and it was with red/white chips and it didn't seem any slower than the old 2/3 game

what's the 5/5 & 5/10 action like since the new change?

not sure because i dont play that high but i am pretty sure there was a couple of 5/5 tables going, not sure about 5/10

5/5 seems to have dried up a bit, more regs sitting at 2/4 instead.

Who won that jeep coz I had a parking space all lined up.

I'm coming to donk around on Saturday night. I look like a 21 year old kid with a shaved head, likely wearing a grey hoodie, come say high if you see me around

games are definetly getting better at crown lately, 5/5 is much much better in terms of action and rake

Just thought I'd chip in, for those interested in playing at Crown.

I don't play at Crown much at all any more, but 1/3 to 5/5 should definitely be beatable for any decent player. If you wanna make decent money, 5/5 is where you should be at, especially now with the deeper buyin ($700).

The 5/5 game (formerly 2/5) isn't the gold mine it used to be, now with a lot of solid grinders and nitty oldies, a bunch of whom used to play 5/10 and 10/20. But there's still plenty of value and randoms, so it's still very profitable. It's the game which kickstarted/sustained many a Melbourne player's rolls over the last 5 or 6 years, and it still can.

5/10 and 10/20 games have died over the last 2.5 years or so. They used to be f**king amazing. A 5/10/20 game started getting up again this year twice a week, but only because a reg arranged with Crown to have it running on those days, at a specific time, with a starting table of pre-confirmed players. This game doesn't run anymore, and 5/10 will rarely ever get up in the near future outside tourney periods. The biggest game will be 5/5 most days of the week.

5/5/10 PLO games will randomly get up every now and then, and so does 1/2 PLO. Bigger PLO games get up during tourney periods, and these games are where all the action and money is - and the only reason I haven't packed and left Melbourne completely

agree with this in some sorts. 5/10/20 will still get up every friday and saturday night even thought it may only be for anywhere between 4-7 hours, but it has been there the last 6 weeks.
The 5/5 game tho i agree it is a complete nitfest now it is ridiculous i would never play during the weekdays at crown anymore the same players on the 2 tables that are generally open during the day time. Play a 10/8 game live it is stupid wont give any action whatsoever.

Can't beet 2/4. So tilting

^ awch

P.S any updates on crown action now that aussie millions is picking up? tables running/good times to go down etc

5/10/20 ran today for a while and the rotation 20/40 was epic today

Satty play is ridiculously bad wish i could play them more

I went 2 days ago so Sunday night-monday morning, was absolutely rubish.

Except the 25/50plo game which was juicy as ***. James blake was playing also.

Stacked him a few times playing 2/4plo the other night without realising who it was.

wow thats pretty crazy. I know blake likes his poker but I didnt know he played cash games.

Im not even .0001% interested in playing any tourney action so that doesnt phase me. The plo games are quite good and some weaker tourney players playing in lower stakes nl tables were pretty good marks when I was playing earlier today.

I understand it's still early days but if anyone has any information on any mixed games running during the Aussie Millions and what sort of stakes they are then that would be great.

I'm flying over from Perth to Melbourne for an 8 day holiday. I play poker on weekends and occasionally at lunch. I usually play online and can beat 25/50c if I'm focused. I did pretty well last time I was in Melbourne playing 1/3 turbo, the field is pretty soft. (I witnessed someone CALLING an all in for about 200 bucks with King high, just about shat a brick).

I'm wondering if it's a big jump to play 5/5. What kind of game can I expect? Should I expect to be run over by agressive/deep regulars if I buy in for 750 (is that the minimum?). If I play tight for a few hours, can I expect to make any money?

If I want to have a good time and make a little extra cash, what are some tips for getting the most out of 1/3. Should I be re-raising premium hands to stop the limp/call fest?

I'm 19 male and will be probably be wearing a grey hoodie with purple sleeves if anyone wants to catch up for a brew.

Play 2/4 dude. Way better

Definitely 2/4 since it plays closer to bwood 2/5then the 5/5 which is a deceptively big game