5/h then 10% rake uncapped?

Uncapped for 1/2 nlhe,
Capped at $6 for 1/2 PLO,
$8 for 2/3 2/5 nlhe, 2/4 PLO,
no rake at 5/5 5/10.

Too much misinformation in this thread. Rake / time charge is as follows: -

• $1/$2 - 10% capped at $15. No time charge.
• $2/$3 - 10% capped at $8. $5ph time charge (The $6 runs Fri and Sat nights during footy and in theory the extra $1 goes to a raffle to win $500, but likely just a prelude to an increase in time charge at $2/$3).
• $2/$5 - 10% capped at $8. $10ph time charge.

Yes, the rake is brutal and is no doubt a consequence of only a single casino license in Victoria and hence no competition. But, that doesn't mean the rake isn't beatable and whilst various 2+2ers can slag off the quality of play at these tables, there are plenty who are genuinely profitable at these levels.

A little bit of defense for the dealers at Crown - most are decent, friendly and fair. There's a couple of idiots but no bigger a proportion of miserable and crappy dealers than anywhere else I've played, including Venetian, Bellagio and Rio during the WSOP.

Now, drinks service at Crown......... that's totally indefensible.

drinks service and food selection is a fn joke. Why in the hell dont they invest some money in this? Its win win for crown. also the shady fat asian waiter that doesnt give change tilts me hard

lol this guy is here allll the time, i think i heard somewhere he's grinding a profit of around $20-$25/hr playing 2/3, he's been there for years

and i've been playing 2/5 and the 5/5 games since the start of the year, they are definitely beatable, but sometimes you do encounter a tough table full of regs, there's no reason to stay and i'd just transfer to the softer table, there are usually 3 2/5 tables running and sometimes 1 5/5 or 5/10 table

I really don't know what to think when live players say they're making $x an hour, they will never reach anything near the long run, the variance is just too much. Suppose win-rates/standard deviation is a **** load better but nonetheless, won't we need like 40k hands or something still? A lot of hours....

Sky City(Adelaide) is now superior for grinders? 2/2 + games are at 100bb, including 2/3 that is 10% capped at 5bb with no hourly charge

Hi all,

I thought I'd post here as this seems to be the official crown thread but there are a couple others discussing the 2/3 stakes and one lays out a 'basic strategy' for it so I would bother getting too deep into it but will explain along the way with my HH from today. I've got early finishes at Uni so I thought this semester would be a good time to get some extra hours in; I got there at 12 and it was enough action there that I didn't have to wait. The APPT was running as well but still enough cash games and definitely, definitely not a regfest.

I'm far off from where I'd like to be in terms of my development. I've played 6max online for the last year with mediocre results and then just got bored of it and halted my learning. A friend invited me to a home game about 2 months ago and I really enjoy the social aspect of the game. The game was 1/2 with a 100BB buy in so I set aside $750 as a 'bankroll' and in just under two months have built it up to, as of today, $1.9k. Definitely some run good there but I'm a losing player at crown having only come out positive once out of the 3-4 times I've been there this month. The games are sooooooo different - the home game is very aggressive and with thinking players whereas crown is.... crown.

So a few key hands from today. I wish now I had written down the details as they are a bit sketchy in the mind:

1. limped around to me in LP with Qs7s. I open to 15 (which was the standard at the table, more on opening amounts later). Folds around to one guy who calls. Flop comes KsXsXs. He checks and I've got the second nuts here with a 66BB stack so I've got it in my head I'm getting it all in by the river. I bet, he hums and hahs and calls. I had him on either Kx or AsX. Turn blanks and he checks, I bet and he has a crying call. River blanks and I'm left with $65 behind me which is what I intended and he calls with the nuts.

2. I limit by self to a 2BI stop-loss and I had to top up after running the worst PF 4 bet ever, not even gonna bother getting anyones opinion on it cuz I know it was horrible. So I have a $100 stack behind me and someone opens for 15, 1 caller, I have AQo and I made it like $45, looking to have some fold equity (LOL SIF) and just snap it off if someone jams. The guy who opens folds and the caller calls. Flop comes AKJr and he asks how much you got behind you? I'm like $50 something and hes like OK I'm all in and I snap figuring he's doing it with a worser A or more likely a T as I saw this guy call an AI on the flop with a bare OESD and he thought he was actually good. Turn comes a Q and river blanks. He turns over Q3o and shakes his head in disgust at me, saying AQ is a bad hand PF.

3. I have AQo and comes to me in late and I make it like $35 and BB calls. This guy has been limp/calling nearly every hand, playing a lot of hands in general. Flop comes ATXr and now my stacks at about $200 so again I'm just looking to get it all in. So I bet about $50 and he calls and again I'm putting them on a worser A or even a Tx with some back door. Turn comes a blank and I've got about $75 behind me; I think he's calling a jam here anyway (which is still well under pot) so may as well get it over and done with and he snaps with TT, river A which fills him up.

I've definitely come to learn to adjust to the slower pace of live and understand that behind card dead can last hours if not sessions. Ordinarily I wouldn't of even played Q7s there.

Essentially what I'm trying to gauge is with such relatively short stacks are you intending to get it AI with those hands? Or even with 66BB should I still play a small hand, small pot? Mind you, Two guys got it AI on the flop, one with bottom pair and one with middle pair. You also see this and think 'geez, why can't I have been in that hand?'. Did I just cop the **** end of the stick running into those hands? Or would it have been better to play a smaller pot?

I had JJ one hand and opened to $15 UTG, two callers. Flop comes all under cards, I c-bet $30 and get one caller, turn comes another under and I barrel $50 and he folds. That there already is $60 - approx. 30BB. It is better to play TPTK/Overs at most two streets or say go $15/$15/$30/$50 so $110? They're more likely to call those smaller bets with TPBK than bomb/bomb/whatevers left to get it AI. But when you see people showdown TPBK to take it down you feel like you miss out on so much value.

Anyway, appreciate those of you who made it this far. I'd be real interested in starting a crown study group; skype sessions or even meet for a drink before hitting the tables to discuss an optimal strategy against the typical crown player.

^ lol

i should never just 'lol' like a douch to anyone typed that much... but lol @ wasting on several cooler XD

out of curiosity, what are the chip denominations above 100?.. I remember there being purple 500s but apparently not?..

Still purple $500s, but they rarely make an appearance at $5/$10 or less.

500's are grey

Tomo if you play at the crown like you lay online you will lose.. the crown is all about determining the fish and solid player and you always play against the player.

The best players are fearless and will raise with K8o & 64s in position and will 10-bet constantly... at the crown if a fish raises and you are in position and you have 4-6 s its absolute necesarry to re raise.. because the moron is likely playing with J2s if a solid player is raising and you have JQo in position you only have two moves.... fold or raise and folding is almost always the best move unless you want action...plenty of weak players that like to fold on the 2/3 & 2/5 tables...with $60+ in the pot.

i remember asking for 500s and was told only blacks so is there some issue with chips above 100s?

1k/5k chips are still in use, the 500 ones are out recently.

Can anyone confirm if Crown has 100BB buy in for 1/2 NL yet? I'm from Sydney and played at Star City and they have semi recently introduced a 100BB buyin. Has Crown done the same? I really don't want to bother playing if it's going to short stacked/crazy rake to produce an unbeatable game.

$1/$2 has a max buy-in of 60BBs, and the $2/$3 is 67BBs ($200). You need to play a minimum of $2/$5 before the max buy-in reaches 100BBs.

And Crown is meant to be the best casino in Australia. God damn ridiculous. I hate this place sometimes.

can you buy into 1/2 at crown now for 120? I always thought it was 80 when I played. although if I'm there I play 2/3 anyway so I guess it doesn't matter

Yeah, they changed it a few months back. Still ridiculously short but not quite as short as it was once. Rake is the same and it is played as an 8 handed turbo table, i.e. you have 10 seconds to act, and then the dealer will start a 10 second countdown clock. Same at the $2/$3 with the 8 handed and turbo as well.

Hey guys, I'm a 50nl grinder from Melbourne. I haven't really played live cash games ever (apart from some lol 888pl tournies) and want to have some fun live. Kinda sucks how I can't play 100bb at 1/2 or 2/3. I don't want to risk more then $500 on one night. I'd rather play 1/2 but it seems like that's just a waste of time and money because the rake is unbeatable? should I just go straight to 2/3? obv not real BR management but its more a shot at live.

Do it. 2/3 is good but I can't see how u can play comfortably if u not happy risking 500...
I can buy half ur action if u have a nice ptr.

PTR is pretty meh looking.
http://www.pokertableratings.com/sta...arch/TonnaMunz

What I ment by 500 is at the start of the night I'll go get $500 in chips and grind it out If i get KK vs AA and set over set and lose my 2.5 67bb BI's then w/e I'll stay away from live for another awhile. I'm just taking a shot i guess. I'm going on friday I think with my IRL friend (recreational player) feel free to come say what's up if your around

Tonna - the rake is horrific but despite what people on these threads say, it remains beatable. My advice would be.....

• Against the fish, value bet your hands. Don't bluff (they'll call with mediocre), and don't slowplay as you're missing value.
• Against the better regs, three bet in position and they'll fold their mediocre hands, or even TPWK.
• Don't get the fish and the regs muddled up!
• If you feel there are too many regs and not enough fish on your table, get a table change.
• Don't get stubborn. Most players at these levels lose chips because they make calls through stubbornness. Stubbornness has no place at $1/$2 and $2/$3 - pick your spots carefully and be patient.
• Accept variance. It can be really high variance when you have donks playing any two cards and you are value betting anything other than the nuts. My $120 at $1/$2 went to $600 to $20 to $476 in the space of 8 hours on Friday night, and that wasn't particularly unusual.

$500 is fine to give it a good crack but play $1/$2 rather than $2/$3. A bad beat or a cooler will take 40% of your roll at $2/$3 but only 24% at $1/$2. Find your feet, get comfortable, and play ABC poker. If you get felted at $1/$2, you can afford to reload and not be stressed about it.

Good luck Friday.

DD