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08-11-2012 , 02:18 PM
At the old place the Omaha game was one of their their strongest games. Long after the last 235 and 123 games broke omaha would be running late into the night. Weeks from now when the excitement has died down and most of the newcomer NL donk have gone broke, that game will still be running.

The 55T on the other hand will return to bay before the month is out, just like it always does.
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08-11-2012 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by deesnuts
I can understand catering to the needs of higher limit players in a real casino where these individuals may dump a substantial amount in the pits to the house but I never really understood why they bend over backwards for them in a California card room.
Perhaps they tip well.

Feel free to explain.
No, they don't. I tend to overtip a bit because those guys either stiff the dealer or barely toss them anything. They don't play the Cal games either, just poker.

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Originally Posted by Captain R
The 15/30 game is the most profitable game for the casino.

Also, Ray Zee once told me that where the big games go, the small games follow. There are several examples of this in history, Bicycle->Commerce, Mirage->Bellagio, etc. Once the big games moved over, the old cardroom basically died out.
Its not the most profitable if its shorthanded, and you're dropping 3 bucks instead of 5. I can understand 1 game, but not when the second has open seats and a smaller drop.

As for smaller games following the big games, they already have a large demand for those smaller games. They just don't spread them, making for disenchanted players that go down the street to play.

When the bigger limit games quit filling, good luck getting those smaller players back.


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Originally Posted by thesilverbail
At the old place the Omaha game was one of their their strongest games. Long after the last 235 and 123 games broke omaha would be running late into the night. Weeks from now when the excitement has died down and most of the newcomer NL donk have gone broke, that game will still be running.

The 55T on the other hand will return to bay before the month is out, just like it always does.
It did play through the night, often at the expense of the aforementioned "mot profitable" 15/30 game.

So lets run a game that is slow and produces less revenue, than the "most profitable" game in the house. Make no mistake, that Omaha game is a big reason the 15/30 never got going at GC, and is why the current 15/30 game is short or can't sustain a second game. The Omaha game has fish in it, thats why it is popular. If that game gets cut off, those Omaha players will play 15/30 like they used to do. I loved playing the 15/30, plenty of bad players, they just play Omaha instead.

With the demand for poker in the new room, those smaller NL games should be sustainable through the night, unlike GC where the player pool was much smaller. M8trix missing a golden opportunity to gain poker players that will sustain games, instead opting for flashier bigger games that do nothing but feed the ego of management types thinking.."look at me, I brought over bigger games".....as the much bigger pool of players at smaller limits leave and perhaps not bother coming back.
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08-11-2012 , 04:02 PM
So basically management should spread exactly those games that donkitall wants to play. Got it.
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08-11-2012 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by thesilverbail
So basically management should spread exactly those games that donkitall wants to play. Got it.
Is that what I said?? Read a little closer, or turn up the comprehension.

I play 15/30. I play NL. I play the games they offer.

Tell me genius, what sense does it make to run 2 15/30 games, one of which is short handed that ends up breaking??

Why run an Omaha game, which is slower and doesn't make as much money for the house, when you can run a more profitable game?? Omaha isn't the only game that runs overnight, Bay has lots of games that run thru the night. M8trix can have those same games run overnight, day after day, IF they would spread them. I don't play 1/2/3, but that game would run. 2/3/5 and 2/3/5 deep would run continuosly. 15/30 without Omaha would run. Green chip games and 3/6 would run. There is a large pool of players for those games, much more than the Omaha and 5-5-10. Thast why they should run them. I can't play 5 different games at once, genius.

If the 5-5-10 will be returning to Bay within a month, as someone else suggested, why cater to those players?? So you can send the players without a game to play to another place of business, then when you need them to fill up your tables they are nowhere to be found??

These players supported GC for years, and now that we have M8trix they have been turned aside for players that didn't set foot in that place for years. Players that mgmt already tried to cater to, had them for awhile, then left. The loyal players, the ones that play the games I mentioned are ignored.

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08-11-2012 , 05:50 PM
Some of what you're saying is reasonable. The rest is incredibly obtuse.

In particular you are not considering the marginal value to M8trix of the 4th or 5th 235 game vs that of a single omaha game, in terms of long-term player retention, advertisement, game diversity and health.
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08-11-2012 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by thesilverbail
Some of what you're saying is reasonable. The rest is incredibly obtuse.

In particular you are not considering the marginal value to M8trix of the 4th or 5th 235 game vs that of a single omaha game, in terms of long-term player retention, advertisement, game diversity and health.
Silver,
Thats the problem. there isn't a 4 or 5th game. There might be 2 total.

I'm not being obtuse. Tell me what kind of value you obtain by sending hundreds of loyal customers across the street?? Also, that Omaha game kills the 15/30. However, if you want to make the argument that it belongs for reasons stated, fine.

Its the 5-5-10 games that IMO serve little purpose. They didn't stay before, let's see if they stay this time. And again, why?? So you can run off the people who were loyal to you at GC?? These guys sure weren't. 1 game?? Ok, whatever. Running 2 games when you have precious little real estate for poker?? Don't get it.

If you have 20+ tables then run your Omahas and assorted higher games. But when you have 14 tables, and you run 2 5-5-10 games when before you had none, why shut out loyal customers of other games??
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08-11-2012 , 06:56 PM
I mostly agree with what you say about 55T. Those guys do get more attention than they deserve, though Captain R's point is worth keeping in mind.

But also I think this running off effect at the lower limits is much less than you think. Some people might be turned off and never show up again. Others are going to think "holy ****, so much action, I need to come earlier next time or come on a different day". Yet others, would have gone broke after a couple of sessions or gone back to bay anyway or they were anyway going to play intermittently etc etc. Basically the lower limit player pool is somewhat fungible.

BTW yesterday there were 3 235 games.
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08-11-2012 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by thesilverbail
So basically management should spread exactly those games that donkitall wants to play. Got it.
That's pretty much what I was thinking when I read his post too. He obviously likes to play 2/3/5 and small stakes limit and doesn't have the bankroll for the bigger games they are spreading.

Debating this with him is futile though. He seems to genuinely believe he's mad for other than selfish reasons. The human brain is a funny thing.
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08-11-2012 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SumNewb
That's pretty much what I was thinking when I read his post too. He obviously likes to play 2/3/5 and small stakes limit and doesn't have the bankroll for the bigger games they are spreading.

Debating this with him is futile though. He seems to genuinely believe he's mad for other than selfish reasons. The human brain is a funny thing.
WTF are you talking about??

I agreed with him on certain points.

I've also said more than once I play 15/30, also 2/3/5, and am rolled for 5-5-10. Mentioning the smaller stakes games doesn't mean I play them. I made it clear I played bigger.

It was pretty clear I was talking about the disloyalty to their core players, at the expense of players who had previously shown them none. Shouldn't have been hard to grasp for a self proclaimed brainiac such as yourself.

And you talk about the brains of others. Right pal, you're a real friggin genius.
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08-12-2012 , 12:35 AM
Still no one at m8trix is picking up the phones...anyone know if
Omaha is running tonigt (saturday)?
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08-12-2012 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by donkitall
It was pretty clear I was talking about the disloyalty to their core players, at the expense of players who had previously shown them none.
I can't claim to know what goes through the heads of CM's poker management, but I think you're ascribing more to their intentions than they may actually have.

From what I understand, the way games get run at CM is basically starting from the low point in the day (I'd guess somewhere in the 4-6am range), there's probably a minimal set of games running. I'm not sure what on average, but I'd guess something like a 3/6, a 6/12, and a 1/2 NL and maybe a 2/3/5 NL game.

Then people slowly filter in, and when they get enough people to support a new table, they open a game. If a bunch of 5/T NL guys come in at 10am and are willing to start a game 5-handed, then they do. If 3-5 Omaha players come in at 11am and are willing to start a game, they do. I mean, they probably don't even fill up all 14 tables until late afternoon/early evening in like the 2-4pm range. If those games last until late at night, who are we to argue with opening those games up?

Now it obviously gets really crowded in the evenings and night with more people waiting for small games than the bigger games, but are you suggesting they do at this point, break a game?

As I see it, they have to do one of two things to "not support the big games and to support these loyal long-time small stakes GC players". They either have to explicitly tell a group of guys who can keep a bigger game going like 16-24 hours a day to go away and not come back when they show up in the morning. Or they can break a game explicitly at peak hours to free up a table for a smaller game.

I almost never see poker room management explicitly break a game already in progress -- for obvious reasons.

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08-12-2012 , 09:49 AM
Lol you all need to learn How to play more than one variant of poker
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08-12-2012 , 12:20 PM
do they have slot machines yet?
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08-12-2012 , 12:43 PM
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do they have slot machines yet?
Only Indian casinos have slots.

But I am waiting for the GC owners to try to get their land declared Ohlone tribal land ...
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08-13-2012 , 11:35 AM
Thinking about heading over there this Friday night around 6/7pm to play some 2/3/5. Should I expect a ridiculous wait time.. if so how long? Can you call ahead and put your name on a list? How is the competition compared to LC or Bay 101?

Should I even bother checking this place out or should I just head to LC or Bay 101?
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08-13-2012 , 12:32 PM
The parking is really going to hurt their business. I think people will get frustrated and not want to return. I don't know why they didn't build an underground garage.

The food service is horrible. While the food quality itself is good here are some of the food service problems.

1. Have to wait to get menu
2. Food takes long time for delivery
3. Food is delivered cold.
4. If food is delivered hot, there are no utensils. By the time the utensils arrive, food is cold.

Wait time for a poker table are extreme. There is no intercom. Even when a seat opens up it takes 10 minutes to get a new player.

Also I don't see anywhere they can build a hotel. There is no room in the lot footprint.
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08-13-2012 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ZManODS
Thinking about heading over there this Friday night around 6/7pm to play some 2/3/5. Should I expect a ridiculous wait time.. if so how long? Can you call ahead and put your name on a list? How is the competition compared to LC or Bay 101?

Should I even bother checking this place out or should I just head to LC or Bay 101?
If you are going at 7pm on fri i would just head straight over to bay 101, you will never get a 235 seat at m8trix at that time. If you can go earlier I think its definitely worth checking out.
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08-13-2012 , 01:18 PM
Bay101 and M8trix are 15-20 min walking distance apart. (I know that is a marathon for many poker players)
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08-13-2012 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle
Bay101 and M8trix are 15-20 min walking distance apart. (I know that is a marathon for many poker players)
But would it be a safe walk (esp. with a lot of cash on hand)?
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08-13-2012 , 01:47 PM
Tough to park and get a seat at that time. I would go earlier if at all possible.

Food service is a challenge right now, no doubt. They didn't seem prepared for the volume of business. I'm giving them a break for now, and see how it improves going forward. The food is hit and miss like any other place. The sandwiches from the Lotus cafe are pretty good. If you need a break from the game, walk over there and get one. Doesn't take long once ordered. I've had several and they are good.

Parking does stink, agreed. Its not too bad when the place isn't packed, but at peak times good luck.
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08-13-2012 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by High Time John
The food service is horrible. While the food quality itself is good here are some of the food service problems.

1. Have to wait to get menu
2. Food takes long time for delivery
3. Food is delivered cold.
4. If food is delivered hot, there are no utensils. By the time the utensils arrive, food is cold.
I've eaten there twice now, and can attest to all of the above problems. Service was slow, and it doesn't help that there's a line of servers by the wall just chilling and having a jolly time. At least there's a plethora of TV's to keep you occupied.
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08-14-2012 , 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
But would it be a safe walk (esp. with a lot of cash on hand)?
Not unsafe at all. It's not in the ghetto or anything. Even if it were, people are way too scared about this sort of thing. You can walk through Compton without any problems if you mind your own business.
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08-14-2012 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by SumNewb
Not unsafe at all. It's not in the ghetto or anything. Even if it were, people are way too scared about this sort of thing. You can walk through Compton without any problems if you mind your own business.
I disagree. You are right next to the highway on ramp. Perfect for a hit and run.
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08-14-2012 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle
Bay101 and M8trix are 15-20 min walking distance apart. (I know that is a marathon for many poker players)
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Originally Posted by chillrob
But would it be a safe walk (esp. with a lot of cash on hand)?
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Not unsafe at all. It's not in the ghetto or anything. Even if it were, people are way too scared about this sort of thing. You can walk through Compton without any problems if you mind your own business.
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I disagree. You are right next to the highway on ramp. Perfect for a hit and run.
I agree with HTJ - Its not a busy or well lit area to walk. I wouldnt be comfortable walking there with 5K.
And SumNewb - its not about someone random attacking you, the probability of that is low. But when you are walking out of a casino with a lot of money on you you just need to be aware that you might be followed.
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08-14-2012 , 12:29 PM
I love the "is it safe to walk" conversation. It's such a wildly subjective and circumstantial question - what's safe for Triple H isn't necessarily safe for my mother.

The answer in this specific case is, generally yes. It's an industrial/business park area, sparsely populated by foot traffic. I'd be more concerned with getting hit by a car. San Jose drives like they play poker - aggressively. Regardless, you should always be aware, it's not the yellow-brick road you're walking between these two places, it's a city street.

But if you have a flashing neon oversized $10,000 bill that won't fit all the way in your pocket and emits the Green Acres theme at high volume, just take a cab. Joe Six-Twelve taking the walk in paint-stained jeans is different from Jimmy Five-Ten strolling over wearing gold chains and Gucci.

Don't walk under dark freeway overpasses if you are traveling between games in which the buy-in is equivalent to someone's monthly rent and they just saw you cash out 5 figures. Duh.
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