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Alizona · 04-29-2010, 12:59 PM

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I respectfully have to disagree with you about me being wrong and nitty. You don't understand what I am saying DesertCat. If you were truly 100% sorry, then why don't you give your friend his/her money back? I totally agree with being friendly, polite, and making poker friends, but the object of the game is to take/win the other persons money.

I don't understand why you think "feeling sorry" equates to "here, I don't want your money, take it back". I think this is simply a problem with verbiage and grammer.

Instead of "sorry", what word or phrase should I use? It's simply an expression of empathy... "sorry bud, tough beat, been there too, we all have".

that_pope · 04-29-2010, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Online Veteran

I respectfully have to disagree with you about me being wrong and nitty. You don't understand what I am saying DesertCat. If you were truly 100% sorry, then why don't you give your friend his/her money back? I totally agree with being friendly, polite, and making poker friends, but the object of the game is to take/win the other persons money. Obviously, we are not going to come to an agreement here, so let's just agree to disagree. Have a nice day DC.

WAT...

Why the **** are we at a poker table if we are going to give money back to anyone that we are friendly with. That is horrible logic. You don't have to be enemies with the other 8 people at the table to be able to play poker.

Online Veteran · 04-29-2010, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Alizona

You are wrong. I know it is a flaw in my game not to have killer instinct.

Mike was a nice guy when we played, and I even told him before I called his allin that I was getting tired (11 hours to go thru 100 players lol) and I basically was apologizing BEFORE I made my call with K9o. Jen "Nuts" McCrackin (a Fort dealer) was very nice too when I got HU with her... she shoved AK, I instacall with AQ, board goes xxQQK... you mean to tell me you would do a fist pump, jump up and down wildly and scream and shout with her standing right there? I most definitely felt a bit sorry and was humble and contrite. She's a dealer, she took it well obv, seen it all... but I waited until I was driving home before I let loose, LOL

Believe it or not, you CAN play good poker, have fun, be friendly and respectful AND STILL WIN.

I'm not one of these "karma" types... its just not my personality to be a total dick. And I will always empathize with someone who takes a beatdown, not rub it in their face with glee.

Thanks for replying, Alizona. First of all, I would never do a fist pump and jump up and down if I sucked out on somebody. I am polite, respectful, and always smell nice haha. Seriously though, I understand what you are saying, and I know you see these people on a daily (or almost daily) basis. Sometimes it can be tough when money and friends mix. Anyway, let's just forget I ever brought the subject up. Good luck at the tables!

Online Veteran · 04-29-2010, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by that_pope

WAT...

Why the **** are we at a poker table if we are going to give money back to anyone that we are friendly with. That is horrible logic. You don't have to be enemies with the other 8 people at the table to be able to play poker.

Thank you pope.

**Ray Zee** · 04-29-2010, 03:46 PM

everyone has different reasons for being there and they are all valid. so if you win you owe no one anything other than not to ruin their day. you are there to play to win the game just like those same people did when they were in high school sports. they cheered and played to slaughter their opponents.
that said if you are friends or have to associate with people you need to fit into their customs somewhat. but not at your expense. when you chop a tourny do it such that it is to your benefit and if they dont want to do it that way play it out. i usually just tell the table what i am willing to take and give out. if it is remotely fair they accept. no way am i giving equal splits to small stacks just because they want it.

Alizona · 04-30-2010, 02:16 PM

Instead of "sorry" I've realized a better phrase to use is "please accept my humblest apologies, sir". That's really what I mean when I say "sorry". But trust me, I'm not gonna overuse it. "Sorry" is a lot quicker and easier!

It's all good, Online Veteran, like I say it does bother me sometimes that I don't have a killer, cutthroat attitude and I do wonder if I'm being too friendly and too nice at the tables so its something that's been on my mind. Sure a lot of us try to find the right balance there.

I got awful news yesterday from TD George at the Fort. They are moving the Megastack tourney to SUNDAYS.

Yuck. Sunday is golf day... its tv sports day... its online big tourney day. Its not a day I'm driving down shea to play... so I'm bummed about that. Tourney's been a goldmine for me in 2010.

Looks like CAZ will def bcome my "home" which isn't so bad... new room and much shorter drive.

Cleaner44 · 04-30-2010, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Alizona

I hear ya... altho I'm with Mike - I understand and agree with the "save" concept, but it doesn't have to be a very large amount, that's all me and Mike are arguing with these risk-avoiding regs. If they don't like it, then play better, go deeper and make the big money given to the top 3.

When I won at the Fort the second time, we did three saves thru the money. The first one was where I spoke out and reduced it to 380 apiece. When we got to 4-handed we did a third save, but it was better than any I've ever been involved in... we gave everyone 1K each, but we left an additional 1K for the winner... which of course I was lucky enough to win (AQ>AK sorry Jen!)... I'm pretty sure having a thousand buck gap between first and second place RARELY happens in that tourney. When I beat Mike (again with a lesser hand, K9>AQ, sorry dude!), there was only a 200 or so diff.

Nothing to be sorry about sir. I will sometimes express my empathy for a bad beat but never with a sorry because I am always glad to win, even if by luck. You are a gentleman and that is always appreciated. As to losing with AQ to K9, I am just glad to have gotten my money in good. Can't ask for more than that really.

I have not been out to the Fort since then, as I have been focusing on improving my play online mostly. I did drive out to CAZ for the opening but even that is a 40 mile drive for me.

ilovem0nkey · 05-01-2010, 02:14 PM

CAZ question : At what amount is an id needed to cashout and why is it needed? I cashed out $3490 and I had to provide my players card/id.

Percula · 05-01-2010, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ilovem0nkey

CAZ question : At what amount is an id needed to cashout and why is it needed? I cashed out $3490 and I had to provide my players card/id.

I am not sure, but I hope one of the dealers in this thread will post the right answer. I have not been hit at ~$2500 and have been hit around $3500+.

BTW, there is nothing to worry about with this. They are required to track your cash outs. If you made several cashouts during a 24 hour period that totaled >=$10K they would be required to file the cash transaction report. Which is no big deal what so ever. Millions and millions of them get filed every day. It is no different than if you walked into you back and plopped down $11K in cash, they have to fill out the paper work. It does not go to the IRS or anything like that.

BTW II, do not manipulate your cashouts/deposits to avoid this reporting, that is called structuring and is a federal felony, bad news.

ilovem0nkey · 05-01-2010, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Percula

BTW, there is nothing to worry about with this. They are required to track your cash outs.

I wasn't really worried about it. It just surprised me and was more of an annoyance than anything. It added a few minutes to my cash out and a line formed behind me. I just wanted to know for future reference. I will just color up to purple chips next time, etc. so I don't have to wait the extra time, since I normally just cash out and bring the cash right back the following day...

Also what is the amount needed for a supervisor approval for a cash out? Is that $2500?

Quadstriker · 05-01-2010, 04:49 PM

Good ole Title 31 regulations...

Daliman · 05-01-2010, 04:59 PM

It's 3k. It's very common for people to go to the cage with well over 3k in chips however and ask for purple ($500) chips for any amount possible to get them under the 3k, which is reasonable considering most will just use those chips later, and it expedites chip buying much better later. I have never had an issue getting purples for amounts over 3k.

that_pope · 05-01-2010, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Daliman

It's 3k. It's very common for people to go to the cage with well over 3k in chips however and ask for purple ($500) chips for any amount possible to get them under the 3k, which is reasonable considering most will just use those chips later, and it expedites chip buying much better later. I have never had an issue getting purples for amounts over 3k.

Thats good to know. If I was over 3k, which was very common playing 40/80, I would color up about 15 minutes beforehand, 2k at a time (rarely was it more than one trip). Now I know that was unnecessary.

DeadMoneyWalking · 05-01-2010, 09:53 PM

I wonder if the IRS and the courts would consider it structuring. Or alternatively you could argue that you casino chips become worthless manufactured discs the moment you leave the reservation. Unlikely though.

synth_floyd · 05-01-2010, 10:34 PM

I asked one of the guys at the poker room and they said the comp system is officially not active and they don't know what the comp rate will be. But he said to make sure to log all your hours because you will get credited for them once they get the comp system running.