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15/180 - 75s in BB vs raising drooler and short stacks 15/180 - 75s in BB vs raising drooler and short stacks

01-31-2012 , 09:56 AM
saw him raise A6s/JTo from EP/MP with short stacksizes/short effective stacksizes a few hands ago
obv he never folds pre to a shove.
~5 to go to bubble but doubt it matters
stop and go spew on this texture?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $13.77 Buy-in (400/800 blinds, 75 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11754992

Hero (BB): 4,469 (5.6 bb)
UTG+2: 10,177 (12.7 bb)
MP1: 8,409 (10.5 bb)
MP2: 18,506 (23.1 bb)
MP3: 2,549 (3.2 bb)
CO: 11,508 (14.4 bb)
BTN: 7,075 (8.8 bb)
SB: 13,666 (17.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5 7
UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to 1,600, 5 folds, Hero
Spoiler:
calls 800

Flop: (4,200) 3 J A (2 players)
Hero
01-31-2012 , 10:38 AM
If he´s never folding pre i prefer the stop and go play better obviously but it depends on villain...Is he folding often to a stop and go witn less than 10bb stack and with those post flop odds?...I think you´re a little too short to be attemting stop and go vs this particular villain
01-31-2012 , 12:23 PM
nh.
01-31-2012 , 04:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wackyradish
nh.
what exactly do you mean?
01-31-2012 , 06:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by furo
stop and go spew on this texture?
You want to c/f?
01-31-2012 , 07:15 PM
super spew on this texture or pretty much any
01-31-2012 , 07:48 PM
If he was a limper wouldn't we bet pretty much any board? (since he's not folding pre) Now since this guy is raising so wide from everywhere a good sized bet can push him out.

But a)here we're not with big effective stacks for it. b) it looks like a good board for his range (many suited and broadway hands) and he' doesn't looks like he's folding any ace or any marginal holding.

On the other hand our stack is so small that even tho he doesn't fold everytime i think he fold enough times to gives us the odds here based on how big the pot is already. i'm going to calculate it if i can and post again.

Last edited by Proudwalker; 01-31-2012 at 07:54 PM.
01-31-2012 , 08:32 PM
let's see that
4469 our stack pre
4200 the pot otf
1600 from us
2869 our rest stack now
2,4 to 1 his odds (he needs around 30% equity to call correctly against what he thinks we have)

he's giving us a 15% (maybe a bit more sometimes) chance to cold bluff. (you think any other % here?) the most possible holdings for us would be an Ace, a flush draw or a Jack (less times tho)
he's not folding aces a FD, or a jack (against Our percieved range he has and but he folds king high and queen high, small-mid pairs and sometimes a jack.

However some of this folds are wrong. He has 35% equity with a small pair against A2,A4+ (suited or offsuit), jacks (i added only 5 jacks here to make this range weighted since we don't shove that often with a jack), a flush draw or a complete bluff (15%). I just added some stuff ike KT and some suited hands in the same amount with aces hands.
A jack that he sometimes folds has at least 45% equity
So it is a very close shove i think and it's based on the wrong folds of jacks and pairs that he's going to do, along with the hands that missed to hit the board.
01-31-2012 , 08:46 PM
bad on this texture, some fish love to limp random trash ax hands, they will also not fold any draw including gutters and obv no pairs and other than ax they limp trashy broadways. jamming some flops is fine but this one sux.
02-01-2012 , 05:12 AM
fold pre
02-01-2012 , 05:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OMGClayDol
bad on this texture, some fish love to limp random trash ax hands, they will also not fold any draw including gutters and obv no pairs and other than ax they limp trashy broadways. jamming some flops is fine but this one sux.
+1..but i would try not to get involved with that hand here anyway
02-01-2012 , 03:48 PM
kk ty for responses
i know pre is not std but he does not play std either. if the mr = top of his range its a fold pre
02-01-2012 , 05:13 PM
Didnt see he limped pre
02-02-2012 , 10:34 AM
he did not limp pre?
02-02-2012 , 10:36 AM
i mean raise!! sorry ;_;

      
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