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Using blockers to bluff vs thinking reg Using blockers to bluff vs thinking reg

07-28-2016 , 09:06 PM
This spot went kinda wrong as my hand reading was pretty good I guess but still did not get the outcome I was looking for
Or maybe he is not as thinking reg as I though. Or maybe we too shallow for this? Or maybe he soul read the hell out of me? Or maybe Im a spewtard? What do you guys think?

PokerStars - $2.28+$0.22|25/50 Ante 6 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 1,270 (VPIP: 21.41, PFR: 17.91, 3Bet Preflop: 11.19, Hands: 414)
MP+1: 1,182 (VPIP: 11.98, PFR: 11.16, 3Bet Preflop: 2.33, Hands: 243)
MP+2: 2,374 (VPIP: 12.40, PFR: 10.76, 3Bet Preflop: 5.42, Hands: 1,490)
CO: 1,645 (VPIP: 32.00, PFR: 28.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
BTN: 2,711 (VPIP: 15.78, PFR: 12.63, 3Bet Preflop: 6.97, Hands: 1,760)
SB: 2,661 (VPIP: 21.17, PFR: 14.81, 3Bet Preflop: 8.20, Hands: 137)
Hero (BB): 1,924
UTG: 1,642 (VPIP: 15.05, PFR: 12.04, 3Bet Preflop: 5.36, Hands: 873)
UTG+1: 1,489 (VPIP: 18.44, PFR: 16.12, 3Bet Preflop: 7.99, Hands: 4,909)

9 players post ante of 6, SB posts SB 25, Hero posts BB 50

Pre Flop: (pot: 129) Hero has T A

fold, UTG+1 raises to 125, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 75

Flop: (329, 2 players) 4 Q 9
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks

Turn: (329, 2 players) A
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 150, Hero calls 150

River: (629, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 300, Hero raises to 1,643 and is all-in, UTG+1 calls 908 and is all-in

Spoiler:
Hero shows T A (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 26%, Flop 19%, Turn 7%)
UTG+1 shows K A (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 74%, Flop 81%, Turn 93%)
UTG+1 wins 3,045


There is an argument of folding this pre, but I like to defend kinda wide and this reg has a high fq of raising first in from EP.

His cbet is 64% so he surely doesnt auto-cbet. When he checks the flop, it looks like a showdown value - 1 pair hands/give up/Ax.

No reason to lead on this card OTT IMO with 1pair hands from our range. I would assume (as I think he's quite good) hes gonna bet here with super high fq, because he either has it or turns small pp into bluffs on this structure.

OTR, his range is quite narrow I think, and its mostly 1pair Aces. I decided to turn this into a bluff a) because im trying to make him fold exactly what he has b) Im using my blocker to a nut flush as a insurance he cant have nuts here.

Did i get called because the price was too good and we shouldnt make this play so shallow? Or he can't hand read? Or he thinks that I always bet a FD OTT. (which I never do, on this particular card!!) WTF?!
07-29-2016 , 02:20 AM
Love it.imo dude with AK made a mistake calling your all-in on the river because people almost never bluff here at these stakes.take a note.

Only thing, are people folding enough Ax (what they should do) at these stakes for bluffs like this to work in a long term?
07-29-2016 , 02:38 AM
Check/call river for me here. We have a hand that is good enough to bluff-catch that we're turning into a bluff?

I doubt there are many regs bet/folding AK on the river here at these stakes.
07-29-2016 , 10:00 AM
seems they dont fold enough.

corp: its one of the best bluffcatchers in my range, however, by shoving our ev is way higher in this spot, where he folds his 1 pair hands and also folds his bluffs anyways.

i mean, he should. i guess its too sophisticated for micros :/
07-29-2016 , 10:13 AM
Your image and history vs this guy matters a ton in spots like this.

In theory I would be much more eager to do this IP. Now you look too much full of it and he gets a good price to call.
07-29-2016 , 10:49 AM
The only 1p hands you want to fold out are AK/AJ and that's such a small part of their range...
07-31-2016 , 06:18 AM
i like your reasoning and thinking level. But i agree with copsey:

- your hand is too good of a bluff catcher
- your are trying to make villain fold a rather strong hand, which at these stakes and depth is kind of optimistic
- your blockers argument is valid, but you are also blocking the hands you put villain on.

so all in all..i would just call here. Would have loved the play @ >= 15$ sng/mtt

Last edited by Leia Amidala; 07-31-2016 at 06:34 AM.
08-03-2016 , 11:41 AM
i dont see a single reason to turn this hand into bluff on these levels... thinking/nonthinking regs its basicly the same, he plays like 139651935 tournaments a day and he doesnt give a f*** about one spewy call and loosing 2.5$ ( altough he should )

he will barrel turn/river with his giveups from the flop as turn card smashes his range and u ll fold a lot,and with his AJ AK AT (AQ sometimes,he might have it in his x back otf range )

u re probably much better than most regs on 2.5 with this kind of thinking so its absolutely unnecessery to use this kind of play. just keep it simple and call this river, they're bad enough so u dont have any reason to use this here. cheers
08-03-2016 , 02:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomalice
i dont see a single reason to turn this hand into bluff on these levels... thinking/nonthinking regs its basicly the same, he plays like 139651935 tournaments a day and he doesnt give a f*** about one spewy call and loosing 2.5$ ( altough he should )

he will barrel turn/river with his giveups from the flop as turn card smashes his range and u ll fold a lot,and with his AJ AK AT (AQ sometimes,he might have it in his x back otf range )

u re probably much better than most regs on 2.5 with this kind of thinking so its absolutely unnecessery to use this kind of play. just keep it simple and call this river, they're bad enough so u dont have any reason to use this here. cheers
thanks man

      
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