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Two hands against Loose passive V Two hands against Loose passive V

01-31-2014 , 01:19 PM
V is a loose passive player(62/8), who limps from Ep and calls a raise from OOP in Sb as well.

Hand#1
I open from utg with 77, he calls in Sb and shot stack BB also comes along

    Poker Stars, $1.36 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #23097141

    CO: 1,300 (13 bb)
    BTN: 2,557 (25.6 bb)
    SB: 5,410 (54.1 bb)
    BB: 615 (6.2 bb)
    Hero (UTG+1): 3,005 (30.1 bb)
    UTG+2: 1,345 (13.5 bb)
    MP1: 2,905 (29.1 bb)
    MP2: 3,188 (31.9 bb)
    MP3: 1,500 (15 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 7 7
    Hero raises to 200, 6 folds, SB calls 150, BB calls 100

    Flop: (600) 6 9 5 (3 players)
    SB checks, BB bets 415 and is all-in, Hero calls 415, SB calls 415

    Turn: (1,845) 4 (3 players, 1 is all-in)
    SB checks, Hero bets 800, SB calls 800

    River: (3,445) 7 (3 players, 1 is all-in)
    SB checks, Hero checks

    Spoiler:
    Results: 3,445 pot
    Final Board: 6 9 5 4 7
    SB showed 6 Q and lost (-1,415 net)
    BB mucked 5 7 and lost (-615 net)
    Hero showed 7 7 and won 3,445 (2,030 net)



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    BB moves all in. I think he has one pair or some draw and mostof the times i have Bb beat. I think i should move all in on the flop or calling is okay?

    I think turn bet is good, as i am pricing him if he has any draws.

    As played do you think i miss out on value on river?

    hand#2
    same V limps again in EP, BB has stack that will hurt my stack so i decide to isolate him. What would you do in this spot pre flop. Had i been in LP and only 10 BB stack behind me i would have jammed pre flop.



      Poker Stars, $1.36 Buy-in (100/200 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #23097161

      UTG+2: 2,332 (11.7 bb)
      MP1: 3,270 (16.4 bb)
      MP2: 1,215 (6.1 bb)
      Hero (MP3): 7,865 (39.3 bb)
      CO: 1,095 (5.5 bb)
      BTN: 1,428 (7.1 bb)
      SB: 2,463 (12.3 bb)
      BB: 5,350 (26.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 4 4
      UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls 200, MP2 folds, Hero raises to 470, 4 folds, MP1 calls 270

      Flop: (1,240) 5 7 K (2 players)
      MP1 checks, Hero checks

      Turn: (1,240) 8 (2 players)
      MP1 checks, Hero checks

      River: (1,240) 4 (2 players)
      MP1 bets 1,000, Hero folds

      Spoiler:
      Results: 1,240 pot
      Final Board: 5 7 K 8 4
      MP1 mucked and won 1,240 (770 net)
      Hero mucked 4 4 and lost (-470 net)



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      I decide to check flop and turn, because he is passive and if he has a draw or
      a 5 he calls so decide to keep the pot in control, nasty river and he makes a pot size bet on river. Fold okay?
      01-31-2014 , 01:51 PM
      First hand you played fine. Checking behind turn would have been fine too. With no anits and stacks behind folding pre wouldn't have been bad.

      Second hand - with stack sizes I'm folding pre, your almost min-raise is probably the worst option. As played folding the river is criminal.
      01-31-2014 , 06:31 PM
      Hand 1: I would probably fold this from UTG but raising isn't terrible. I'd just check the turn but bet the river once the 7 hits.

      Hand 2: Agree, preflop fold>>>>shove>>>raise to 700>>>>>>>>what you did. I am never folding the river after the check/checks on the flop and turn.
      01-31-2014 , 08:46 PM
      You have to bet the river in the first hand. He has to lead his straights, so we're almost always ahead. Even if he had a straight it can only really be because he flopped 1 pair with an 8 kicker, which is a very small part of his range.

      Iso raising the 44 in the 2nd hand is standard, and your sizing is good for stack sizes. I'd definitely call river because this is the top of our range. We're betting all our flush draws earlier, and he probably is too. Sure he could have a 6, but we never have anything better than this hand and he can definitely have worse over half the time, so there's 2 reasons why this is a clear call.

      Last edited by emitnulB; 01-31-2014 at 08:56 PM.
      01-31-2014 , 10:04 PM
      Hand 1: agree with emitnulB

      Hand 2: If I was playing MP1's hand and had a flush draw on the flop i would prefer check-raising you, but you checked behind on both flop turn. So he had to value bet the river.
      imo probably: QJs Q10s J10s or even J9s (those hands can justify a limp preflop and a call after raise for a loose player)

      Last edited by SomeStrange; 01-31-2014 at 10:21 PM.
      02-01-2014 , 12:45 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by emitnulB
      You have to bet the river in the first hand. He has to lead his straights, so we're almost always ahead. Even if he had a straight it can only really be because he flopped 1 pair with an 8 kicker, which is a very small part of his range.

      Iso raising the 44 in the 2nd hand is standard, and your sizing is good for stack sizes. I'd definitely call river because this is the top of our range. We're betting all our flush draws earlier, and he probably is too. Sure he could have a 6, but we never have anything better than this hand and he can definitely have worse over half the time, so there's 2 reasons why this is a clear call.
      hand#1
      Missed river value bet agreed, he is a loose fish he will call a river value bet. Missed value

      hand#2
      all cards are overcards to my pair of fours so i prefer to check behind and keep the pot small, according to my read he is one of those loose players who check/calls often, his bet sizing on river seemed very strange to me, for pot sized bet we have to be good only 1/3 of the time so i think on that thought this is a call, but on that spot i felt he was like omg! i have hit my hand i need to get chips in right now, so i tank folded.

      I think 77 utg open is okay, iso with 44 is very dangerous as he is limping with a wide variety of range nd there r so many players behind us as well.

            
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