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Two annoying spots (0.50$ 90man turbo) Two annoying spots (0.50$ 90man turbo)

02-01-2015 , 03:45 PM
1. As you can see I have no stats on V, so I decided to fold. This early on I don't see him ripping with an Ace and a King is unlikely since there's only one left in the deck. Since he checked the flop (slowplay or miss) but called quickly OTT when the second heart came, and 3bet shoved river when flushes got there, I couldn't call him. Ppl at these stakes suck so it's possible he had an Ace but I didn't want to take a risk this early on. Thoughts?

PokerStars - $0.45+$0.05|25/50 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 30 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
CO: 29.3 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
BTN: 26.12 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 5)
SB: 25.9 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
Hero (BB): 60.9 BB
UTG: 26.78 BB (VPIP: 10.53, PFR: 8.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 38)
UTG+1: 68.3 BB (VPIP: 41.67, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 60.00, Hands: 12)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K Q

fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.54 BB, fold, Hero calls 1.54 BB

Flop: (5.58 BB, 2 players) 4 K A
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (5.58 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero bets 2.78 BB, BTN calls 2.78 BB

River: (11.14 BB, 2 players) K
Hero bets 5.56 BB, BTN raises to 20.8 BB and is all-in, fold

BTN wins 22.26 BB


2. I think a fold on this flop was a mistake, but this was also early on and I had managed to get some chips so this spot was really horrible IMO. As you can see V was playing aggro so far, but only 14 hands on him. I put him on 2 pair/a set. Game was the same as above. Thoughts?

PokerStars - $0.45+$0.05|25/50 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 27 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
UTG+1: 29.3 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
MP: 34.5 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
MP+1: 38.04 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP+2: 77.56 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
CO: 25.4 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
Hero (BTN): 49.52 BB
SB: 25.78 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)
BB: 61.3 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 14)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A J

fold, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB, UTG+1 calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.5 BB, 3 players) 4 A 6
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 4.74 BB, BB raises to 58.3 BB and is all-in, fold, fold

BB wins 18.98 BB
02-01-2015 , 04:46 PM
I don't like the lead with KQ on the turn, just check call and probably check call the river as well unless he overbet shoves the river, then think twice about it.

Fold with AJ seems super standard to me, BB will always have you beat.
02-01-2015 , 05:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cactu
I don't like the lead with KQ on the turn, just check call and probably check call the river as well unless he overbet shoves the river, then think twice about it.

Fold with AJ seems super standard to me, BB will always have you beat.
So you suggest checking with Trips and a great kicker? I'm giving him a free river with trips on a flush draw board, not how I'd play. I believe a correct play if you think he's on a flush draw to bet the pot or something so that he makes a huge mistake by calling (even if he hits his flush). And yeah AJ fold is standard most of the times, this guy just turned out to be a huge fish, 3bet shoving almost every flop he saw.
02-01-2015 , 05:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by boomshakalaka1
So you suggest checking with Trips and a great kicker? I'm giving him a free river with trips on a flush draw board, not how I'd play. I believe a correct play if you think he's on a flush draw to bet the pot or something so that he makes a huge mistake by calling (even if he hits his flush). And yeah AJ fold is standard most of the times, this guy just turned out to be a huge fish, 3bet shoving almost every flop he saw.
Check raising might be better on the turn compared to just potting it, you get more value from his bluffs (which you fold out by potting the turn), pretty sure flush draw is betting on the turn too so if he is smart he's going to be folding to a checkraise too, since he doesn't get odds. The odd thing about this hand is that the flop is pretty much perfect for villain to cbet into, so he might actually have you beat even without having a flush.

(Oh, also feel free to ignore any advice I give and listen to better players instead, I'm just giving my opinion on the hands)

Last edited by cactu; 02-01-2015 at 05:35 PM.
02-01-2015 , 06:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cactu
Check raising might be better on the turn compared to just potting it, you get more value from his bluffs (which you fold out by potting the turn), pretty sure flush draw is betting on the turn too so if he is smart he's going to be folding to a checkraise too, since he doesn't get odds. The odd thing about this hand is that the flop is pretty much perfect for villain to cbet into, so he might actually have you beat even without having a flush.

(Oh, also feel free to ignore any advice I give and listen to better players instead, I'm just giving my opinion on the hands)
I actually like your c/r thought, didn't come to think about it. And yeah, I also thought his check was somewhat weird followed by a turn call + river 3bet shove.
02-01-2015 , 07:06 PM
With second pair I prefer check/call on the turn to keep the pot small. It's likely you have the best hand so there is no reason to scare him off. On the river your line is fine. He's been representing the ace the whole way so the flush draw doesn't scare me mostly because the ace of hearts is on the board and not in his hand. The flop action isn't consistent with a flush so get it in and the K probably made him feel more comfortable about his kicker.
02-01-2015 , 07:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleverbeans
With second pair I prefer check/call on the turn to keep the pot small. It's likely you have the best hand so there is no reason to scare him off. On the river your line is fine. He's been representing the ace the whole way so the flush draw doesn't scare me mostly because the ace of hearts is on the board and not in his hand. The flop action isn't consistent with a flush so get it in and the K probably made him feel more comfortable about his kicker.
I don't get why he wouldn't cbet the flop, and the shove otr is really bad play if he has an ace IMO. My theory is he flopped something big and slowplayed it or then he had 2 hearts which missed the flop hence the check, but OTT he catched some equity and the river obviously got him there so he went for full value. An ace is ofc possible, but I wouldn't say he has it. And if he's representing an ace here his line is really weird IMO. But okay, what do you think about the AJ hand?

EDIT:

Why I took the lead OTT was because the flushdraw came + I wanted to build up the pot a bit for value.
02-02-2015 , 12:53 AM
1st hand check call every street. until river you have nothing but 2nd pair so there's no reason to lead into him. will check call river aswell because you can't fold trips vs players at this level, since they donk the **** out of you with nothing (most of the time) when you check to them. When he checks back I think he either has nothing (and hits backdoor flush on the river/or not), or slow plays an ace/set/2 pair since the flop is rainbow.
2nd hand I fold, they do that all the time when their ace rag hits 2 pair.

Last edited by Foieverde; 02-02-2015 at 01:04 AM.
02-02-2015 , 05:30 AM
In hand 1. It would be nice to know how wide he is opening the BTN. With some players they are opening close to any two but at this level they are often not very positionally aware. It may be that the A is a blocker to most of his XX range. Along with the K on the river he may not have many flush combos left. I would maybe just raise or even jam this preflop against a BTN opener with these stack sizes. Flop is fine. Turn, not sure what I think. As for the river:
If he is a strong player then fold, because he may be opening almost any two suited and he seems to think he's best on the river - good players don't bluff too much at this level because there is generally no point.
If he is a weaker player then call, as he maybe doesn't have many XX combos left and he may be doing this with a weaker king or ace thinking its for value.
Against a very strong player I think I would call. It certainly qualifies as a strong enough hand to be a bluff catcher and they could do this with a weaker King for thin value.

I would fold hand 2 unless you have seen him do this a lot and/or with junk.

      
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