Two Plus Two Publishing LLC Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > >

Notices

MTTSNG Discussion and analysis of MTTSNGs.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-07-2017, 12:35 PM   #1
bitmonk
adept
 
bitmonk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: fairytale castle
Posts: 833
State of games?

Hey all,

as PS.fr is closing down for me, i will restart playing on PS.eu.
I am thinking of grinding it up via mttsngs.
Can you tell me something about the quality of the games there?
Fish-to-Reg ratio?
What about the different buy in levels? Anything specific?
What about these 6max mttsngs - do they run?

thanx for some input!
bitmonk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2017, 01:00 PM   #2
Schoolboy
adept
 
Schoolboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Sit N' Gogogogogogogo's
Posts: 1,000
Re: State of games?

Just giving this thread a bump, would love to know the opinions of the MTTSNG forum on this.

I've been playing a few 180s, final tables seem to be packed with multitabling regs.

Are these games still profitable to a player who wishes to make these their main game?

Out of all the MTT SNGs, which would you say have the softest fields?

Are the $3.50 rebuys still a viable option?

What would the be the best MTTSNG to grind to learn the basics (taking buy in level out - focusing on player numbers/entrants).

I used to grind MTTs and MTT SNGs a few years ago but have just got back into the game recently, so I have a good understanding of the fundamentals of MTT SNGs

Thank you for your help, hope to post in this forum more regularly!
Schoolboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2017, 07:00 AM   #3
AxeCapital
centurion
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 125
Re: State of games?

I started playing $2.5 180 MTTSNG's on PS.eu few days ago as well. I've played MTT's about 5 years ago, and starting this whole poker thing again

Obviously I don't have any valid sample size, but by the looks of it, seems like early/mid-stages on these are filled with maniacs/fishes. Made one top 4 finish and the FT seemed to be a bit reg-heavy.

If I'd have to guess, with huge volume you can be fairly profitable on these.
AxeCapital is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2017, 01:28 PM   #4
Leia Amidala
grinder
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 414
Re: State of games?

will let you know in 30 days. my goal is to play 3k sngs in 30 days. will post my results here.

cheers.
Leia Amidala is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2017, 10:39 PM   #5
oldskool87
adept
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Toronto
Posts: 795
Re: State of games?

Games are still very beatable. Mixing in different styles of games a few soft sattys and such and playing approx 8 per day you should be able to hit about $200 US for the day as a good player, but even to get to this level it will take time.. is it worth the time and effort? That's up to you! There are also several players who make more then this but those are few and far between.

Lots of practice with a chip ev/icm calculator and time spent reviewing your play will go along way! Happy grinding

GL amidala!
oldskool87 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2017, 06:37 AM   #6
Leia Amidala
grinder
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 414
Re: State of games?

thanks oldschool. ( what soft sattys do you recommend?)

ive decided to use this thread as a small "blog" of my 30 days of grinding. Each day i will post my results and one hand i found interesting/challenging. Because of my roll i cant play 3.5 and above any more, so I will grind 2.5s only. Yesterday was my first day and i was disappointed by the volume i could get. Barely could get 14 tables running. I ran bad, so that didnt help either.

Day1:

Trnys: 68
ITM: 14%
Roi: -69%
Profit: -117$

Last edited by Leia Amidala; 03-17-2017 at 06:48 AM.
Leia Amidala is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2017, 08:52 AM   #7
Leia Amidala
grinder
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 414
Re: State of games?

My only FT of the day. There are 3 roughly equal stacks and one baby stack who plays really tight. I could have shoved this hand easily. Cause the other players would have to call extremely tight. And putting on ICM pressure is def good. But

a) i dont know if they know that. and if they call it with a range that is ok in chip ev i am actually hurting myself alot here.

b) its a higher variance play, and i think i have an advantage post flop over the other players.

So I decide to minr. Now the small blind min3bets.

Thoughts?




PokerStars - 2500/5000 Ante 500 NL - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 18.37 BB (VPIP: 15.28, PFR: 16.39, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 72)
BB: 15.14 BB
CO: 4.24 BB (VPIP: 12.63, PFR: 7.63, 3Bet Preflop: 3.77, Hands: 807)
Hero (BTN): 16.25 BB

4 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.9 BB) Hero has Q 9

fold, Hero raises to 2.2 BB, SB raises to 4.77 BB, fold

Last edited by Leia Amidala; 03-17-2017 at 09:08 AM.
Leia Amidala is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2017, 07:01 PM   #8
Leia Amidala
grinder
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 414
Re: State of games?

Day two went much better. Had a lot of luck on FTs. Will post a hand tomorrow.

Day2:

Trnys: 83
ITM: 17%
Roi: +75%
Profit: +156$


Overall: (also from day 0, where i made a small profit)

Trnys: 182
ITM: 14%
Roi: +6%
Profit: +43$
Leia Amidala is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2017, 01:16 PM   #9
Leandro Silva
newbie
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 16
Re: State of games?

Doubts on which line to follow,

I know that the amount of games is like a spit in the wind.



http://imgur.com/a/ZlqWr
Leandro Silva is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2017, 04:42 AM   #10
Leia Amidala
grinder
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 414
Re: State of games?

Day 3 didnt go so well. Played ok, but ran into a lot of monsters


Day3:

Trnys: 71
ITM: 14%
Roi: -25%
Profit: -46$


Overall:

Trnys: 275
ITM: 14%
Roi: -2%
Profit: -17$
Leia Amidala is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2017, 08:08 PM   #11
BaseMetal2
adept
 
BaseMetal2's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 989
Re: State of games?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leia Amidala View Post
My only FT of the day. There are 3 roughly equal stacks and one baby stack who plays really tight. I could have shoved this hand easily. Cause the other players would have to call extremely tight. And putting on ICM pressure is def good. But

a) i dont know if they know that. and if they call it with a range that is ok in chip ev i am actually hurting myself alot here.

b) its a higher variance play, and i think i have an advantage post flop over the other players.

So I decide to minr. Now the small blind min3bets.

Thoughts?




PokerStars - 2500/5000 Ante 500 NL - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 18.37 BB (VPIP: 15.28, PFR: 16.39, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 72)
BB: 15.14 BB
CO: 4.24 BB (VPIP: 12.63, PFR: 7.63, 3Bet Preflop: 3.77, Hands: 807)
Hero (BTN): 16.25 BB

4 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.9 BB) Hero has Q 9

fold, Hero raises to 2.2 BB, SB raises to 4.77 BB, fold
I think the min raise was the best play (actually you bet 2.2BB and I think either 2.0BB or 3.0+BB may have been a better choice. The extra 0.2 is not going to put off a 3-bet much but 3.0 may be seen like an indication that you mean business and scare them. )
Sadly it is probably safer to fold to this min 3-bet, you could call but this gets dangerous. I wouldn't call unless I knew the player's style well and if the min 3-bet was a common ploy.

I think open pushing would be a mistake, you have to either try this mr/fold line or just fold. I suspect the big stacks would possibly call you too wide to get a profit, I think it probably at or near break even $-wise. It would often be hard to decide how they play here so as it is close it is best to keep safe.

Here you are in what SnG players often call "The cage", and you often have to wait for either a good hand or the dynamic to change. The mr line might have succeeded and could have got you the power to break out early and take control - it was worth a go.
BaseMetal2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2017, 09:02 AM   #12
Leia Amidala
grinder
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 414
Re: State of games?

Pretty much had a terrible session yesterday. Nothing worked. And i kept running into the top of villains range.


Day4:

Trnys: 77
ITM: 9%
Roi: -67%
Profit: -160$


Overall:

Trnys: 352
ITM: 13%
Roi: -19%
Profit: -177$

So starting this grind with a 70buying downswing. Sigh. But i am not giving up!

Today's another day!

This was my final hand of the day.

PokerStars - 1000/2000 Ante 200 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 24.79 BB (VPIP: 24.44, PFR: 20.27, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 90)
BB: 38.82 BB (VPIP: 18.26, PFR: 13.49, 3Bet Preflop: 4.65, Hands: 247)
UTG: 8.74 BB (VPIP: 24.50, PFR: 23.23, 3Bet Preflop: 12.63, Hands: 8,563)
UTG+1: 10.71 BB (VPIP: 19.35, PFR: 16.83, 3Bet Preflop: 5.92, Hands: 467)
MP: 8.05 BB (VPIP: 17.02, PFR: 13.16, 3Bet Preflop: 6.24, Hands: 3,083)
MP+1: 13.18 BB (VPIP: 5.56, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
Hero (CO): 17.3 BB
BTN: 13.41 BB (VPIP: 41.18, PFR: 26.67, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 34)

8 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.3 BB) Hero has 5 5

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.2 BB, fold, SB raises to 4 BB, fold, Hero raises to 17.2 BB and is all-in, SB calls 13.2 BB

Flop: (36.21 BB, 2 players) J 3 8

Turn: (36.21 BB, 2 players) 9

River: (36.21 BB, 2 players) 9


I got a question: What is you guys opening range from the CO. Do you open low offsuit aces there for instance?
Leia Amidala is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2017, 09:10 AM   #13
26sk8er
grinder
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 427
Re: State of games?

jam both hands imo, if not, i think 2 bb's is actually a better open in first one since he will be less inclined to 3bet, and in the second I think open folding low aces is the best play, just a stab in the dark, gl gl

In a high varience format the only way u will be one of the biggest winners will be by taking the highest varience plays.
26sk8er is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2017, 06:57 PM   #14
Leia Amidala
grinder
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 414
Re: State of games?

Hi!

Luckily for me day 5 went a lot better. I played my A game during the entire session. Could have been an awesome result if i did not have 3 coolers (lineup wise) for big pots on FTs. AT < AQ (bbvsb) and AQ<AK (bb vs b) JJ < KK. But all in all happy with this result


Day5:

Trnys: 79
ITM: 13%
Roi: +96%
Profit: +189$


Overall:

Trnys: 431
ITM: 13%
Roi: +1% (whopping )
Profit: +12$

(If i only look at 2.5$ i have 105$ profit and 10% roi).
Leia Amidala is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2017, 06:37 AM   #15
Colinb7
grinder
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 513
Re: State of games?

Keep going... interesting read!
Colinb7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2017, 08:23 AM   #16
Leia Amidala
grinder
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 414
Re: State of games?

I almost shoved this hand. In this particular case i was lucky i didnt. But what do you guys think. Is this a borderline shove for you too?

PokerStars - 2500/5000 Ante 500 NL - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 19.88 BB (VPIP: 12.77, PFR: 10.75, 3Bet Preflop: 5.77, Hands: 1,042)
BTN: 9.09 BB (VPIP: 44.09, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 21.62, Hands: 128)
Hero (SB): 17.13 BB
BB: 7.9 BB (VPIP: 14.44, PFR: 11.33, 3Bet Preflop: 10.40, Hands: 474)

4 players post ante of 0.1 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.9 BB) Hero has Q 5

CO raises to 2.25 BB, fold, fold, BB raises to 7.8 BB and is all-in, CO calls 5.55 BB

Flop: (16.49 BB, 2 players) Q 4 K

Turn: (16.49 BB, 2 players) 6

River: (16.49 BB, 2 players) A

BB shows J J (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 19%, Flop 10%, Turn 5%)
CO shows A A (Three of a Kind, Aces)
(Pre 81%, Flop 90%, Turn 95%)
CO wins 16.49 BB
Leia Amidala is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2017, 03:49 PM   #17
Corpsey
journeyman
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 279
Re: State of games?

Looks like a snap-fold vs that nit.
Corpsey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2017, 04:05 PM   #18
Leia Amidala
grinder
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 414
Re: State of games?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post
Looks like a snap-fold vs that nit.
but the advantage of nits is that they also fold to 3bets way to much. + icm for him is not so good here. but yeah. he is pretty tight.
Leia Amidala is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2017, 07:18 PM   #19
Leia Amidala
grinder
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 414
Re: State of games?

Rolllllercoaster....not going in the right direction Lost about the same amount i won yesterday. Made a single final table and was out within 3 hands: AJ < K9. Just could not win those big flips you need to run deep.


Day6:

Trnys: 75
ITM: 15%
Roi: -82%
Profit: -180$


Overall:

Trnys: 506
ITM: 13%
Roi: -13%
Profit: -167$



Last edited by Leia Amidala; 03-21-2017 at 07:27 PM.
Leia Amidala is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2017, 08:16 AM   #20
flamekiddo25
centurion
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 161
Re: State of games?

which games do you play?
gl buddy. get used to those swings
flamekiddo25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-23-2017, 01:11 PM   #21
BTN_Clique
journeyman
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: clicking buttons
Posts: 237
Re: State of games?

good read. keep it up leia, rooting for u
BTN_Clique is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-23-2017, 02:34 PM   #22
Leia Amidala
grinder
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 414
Re: State of games?

its not going well guys. wil post again when my downswing is over. which lasts now over 5k tournaments

@flame: i used to play 2.5/3R/8s. Now i only have the roll for 2.5$. And even that is really close now.


Last edited by Leia Amidala; 03-23-2017 at 02:56 PM.
Leia Amidala is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-23-2017, 02:42 PM   #23
Leandro Silva
newbie
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 16
Re: State of games?

The lines are taking completely different directions, I believe this is not good. But I do not know how bad it can be.
Leandro Silva is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-23-2017, 05:48 PM   #24
BTN_Clique
journeyman
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: clicking buttons
Posts: 237
Re: State of games?

sick, from the looks of it ur running terrible when it matters the most

altho, a better indicator of runbad/variance imo is looking at that graph in bbs won / hands played rather than chips won/tourneys played. Add bb/100 and ai bb/100 in the information box and that should paint a better picture.
BTN_Clique is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-23-2017, 06:52 PM   #25
Leia Amidala
grinder
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 414
Re: State of games?

I dont want to complain too much. Cause i know how swingy these games are. But that said.

Results for today:





200buyin down since i started my 30 days of grinding. I still have 200buyins left. So hope thats enough.
Leia Amidala is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:41 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ę 2008-2010, Two Plus Two Interactive
 
 
Poker Players - Streaming Live Online