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Old 06-23-2017, 01:19 PM   #1
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Sng 2.50 FT last 3 Aj versus decision

hi guys, his is 2.50 180 last 3 , villain is very agro capable to make moves with anything. I have Aj in sb with a good stack, and elect to make a 3 bb vs chipleader, ho shoves. Do you call the all in or fold? in my decision should i take into acount the shortstack?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (2,500/5,000 blinds, 500 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 3 Players
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Hero (SB): 91,153 (18.2 bb)
BB: 154,013 (30.8 bb)
BTN: 24,834 (5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A J
BTN folds, Hero raises to 15,000, BB raises to 153,513 and is all-in, Hero calls 75,653 and is all-in

Flop: (182,806) 4 2 A (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: (182,806) J (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (182,806) K (2 players, 2 are all-in)
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Old 06-24-2017, 04:54 AM   #2
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Re: Sng 2.50 FT last 3 Aj versus decision

V will be jamming very wide here because of the short stack. Nevertheless due to ICM you have to fold almost everything here.

Jam pre.

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Old 06-24-2017, 11:21 AM   #3
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Re: Sng 2.50 FT last 3 Aj versus decision

This is one of those spots where if we are going to fold after we min raise with AJ then we should just shove pre. icm is likely telling us to fold so I'd ship it pre
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Old 06-24-2017, 12:22 PM   #4
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Re: Sng 2.50 FT last 3 Aj versus decision

I totally agree with the prevoius answers. The call is horrible and will cost you 30$. Against regulars you should shove your complete range.
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Old 06-25-2017, 04:13 AM   #5
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Re: Sng 2.50 FT last 3 Aj versus decision

SB vs BB I'd shove 10x the dead money rather than 3x raise even without the ICM pressure.
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Old 06-25-2017, 07:59 AM   #6
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Re: Sng 2.50 FT last 3 Aj versus decision

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I totally agree with the prevoius answers. The call is horrible and will cost you 30$. Against regulars you should shove your complete range.
Open shoving JJ-AA is far from optimal
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Old 06-26-2017, 06:53 PM   #7
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Open shoving JJ-AA is far from optimal
So what else do you 3x with? Shoving entire range seems good here.
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Old 06-27-2017, 09:57 PM   #8
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Re: Sng 2.50 FT last 3 Aj versus decision

I would not 3x anything. Not raising anything im not gonna call off against v aggro player . So probably 2.5X JJ - AA. We can limp/call to some non allin iso's, limp/shove some hands and openshove some hands gainst this type of player.
Aj should be an openshove . We cant r/c even if bb is reshoving any 2 cards.
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Old 06-28-2017, 08:06 AM   #9
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Re: Sng 2.50 FT last 3 Aj versus decision

3 x is because im oop and dont wanna give to te bigstack good pot odds if he decide to call. I know now this was a bad spot for me to call because of icm.Thank you all for your answers.
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Old 07-01-2017, 08:42 AM   #10
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Re: Sng 2.50 FT last 3 Aj versus decision

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I would not 3x anything. Not raising anything im not gonna call off against v aggro player . So probably 2.5X JJ - AA. We can limp/call to some non allin iso's, limp/shove some hands and openshove some hands gainst this type of player.
Aj should be an openshove . We cant r/c even if bb is reshoving any 2 cards.

Limp/Shove is often worse because your limp/fold range is much bigger than your limp/call range. You minraise JJ-AA and some weaker hands which you dont want to shove pre.

Also possible.
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Old 07-07-2017, 06:43 AM   #11
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This is one of those spots where if we are going to fold after we min raise with AJ then we should just shove pre. icm is likely telling us to fold so I'd ship it pre
Ye I agree. I would prefer to ship it pre and take the chips straight away rather than min raising and folding to "most likely shove" from him. However I think this would also depend on if we know the V is a decent reg (who will shove pretty much everything as the short stack has 5bbs).
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Old 07-10-2017, 02:35 PM   #12
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Re: Sng 2.50 FT last 3 Aj versus decision

Ok so first off the short stack is a huge consideration as these sngs are very top heavy and there is ICM at play (im not an expert on this however i too am a novice) however it goes something like it obvious that it is likely the short stack has a high chance of busting soon and you laddering 40 odd dollars so...

1) getting into altercations with the big stack that covers you is not ideal,
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2) revisions need to be made to shoving our usual ranges (we have to tighten up slightly i believe)

However, in this 3 handed scenario AJ is way too strong of a hand to be doing anything but shoving, particularly bvb. If he wakes up with a hand so be it. If he decides to call off wide we are in a good spot. Most often we take down the blinds and antes which is huge.

Raising just opens the possibility for villain to come over the top and we also have a <20bb stack where ABC poker is the only real option (unless you have reads) as maneuverability post flop is limited oop if the raise is just called. I wouldn't know what to do against this shove comments say ICM fold but i probably sigh call cz im a donk and he realises his 40% equity with K10 (which we would have denied if we shoved).
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Old 07-10-2017, 03:08 PM   #13
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Ok so first off the short stack is a huge consideration as these sngs are very top heavy and there is ICM at play (im not an expert on this however i too am a novice) however it goes something like it obvious that it is likely the short stack has a high chance of busting soon and you laddering 40 odd dollars so...

1) getting into altercations with the big stack that covers you is not ideal,
and
2) revisions need to be made to shoving our usual ranges (we have to tighten up slightly i believe)

However, in this 3 handed scenario AJ is way too strong of a hand to be doing anything but shoving, particularly bvb. If he wakes up with a hand so be it. If he decides to call off wide we are in a good spot. Most often we take down the blinds and antes which is huge.

Raising just opens the possibility for villain to come over the top and we also have a <20bb stack where ABC poker is the only real option (unless you have reads) as maneuverability post flop is limited oop if the raise is just called. I wouldn't know what to do against this shove comments say ICM fold but i probably sigh call cz im a donk and he realises his 40% equity with K10 (which we would have denied if we shoved).
Nicely summed up.

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