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Originally Posted by Donovan
eg; Hero has a medium-large (slightly above average stack) and is in a spot where he would generally tend to come in for a steal with about 30% of hands. Unfortunately for Hero, he notices that there are three players yet to act who have stacks between 7 and 18 bb's so he decides to tighten up a bit because he would have to call a jam from one of the short stacks if he open raised and got shoved on.
So, my intuition here is pretty strongly that ^^^THAT^^ is horse crap.
The explanation is a bit simplistic but quite often you should drop the bottom of your range. You have to get quite specific though and so general rules often need adjustment.
I think generally low stacked players do 3-bet shove much wider than mid-stacked players would 3-bet. Mid stacked will call to see flops more etc.
If we use a model of hero as CO and 3 to follow all have 15bb, play a simple push/fold game, and on average 3-bet push X%.
If you do open 30% if X is 20% then you should fold a good amount to a single open shove, perhaps even half of your holdings (simple model, can call more if the V. range was capped, opponents with QQ+ may well flat call not 3-bet). The thing is though that at each opponent being 20% you still make a profit with all 30% opening hands (easily and you could open wider).
But it is difficult to predict an unknowns 3-bet range and many can be 30% in MTTs. I think at this rate many of your 30% opening hands will be losing overall and so some should be open folded, even though you can call a 3-bet a bit wider now, calling maybe 3/4 of your holding.
This is for the simple, always 3-bet shove, model but actually some will flat you and then we get into another difficult spot. What to do with the weak part of our range? Should we always 3-bet or sometimes weakly check-fold to aggression? The stack/pot ratio is very low and again it is quite difficult to put opponents on a range. It is difficult so avoiding some opening hands may be wise to simply avoid this, you don't want to have plenty of just slightly positive chip ev hands.
Perhaps from the CO you could normally open 30% and make a good profit using this range but in the current online game when facing 3 low stacks will make it a difficult spot.
Quite a lot depends on your range and if you are in early position, tight, it may not be much of a worry, but if on the button you probably should drop a decent amount of hands you normally play as they don't get through often.