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Old 10-07-2016, 07:32 AM   #826
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Re: ROI, Bankroll, Moving up, Variance and Downswings (containment thread)

Thank you guys for the answers
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Old 10-07-2016, 02:01 PM   #827
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Grinders!

Grinders out there (especially 6max SnG), how many hands (per week or day) do you play and what sort of ROI do you get?

I'm just setting out playing 5 and 10 dollar buy ins, turning reasonable profit, around 5% ROI (not that great I don't think) but don't play many tables. Just wondering how intense the proper grinders sessions are....
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Old 10-07-2016, 02:27 PM   #828
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Re: Turbos 180s Hourly...

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thanks for your other post as wel. didnt see it until today. interesting data.

1. i play between 18:30 - 01:30 ( dutch time). because otherwise i cant get enough tables running.

2. around 7 hours (around 100 tournaments)

3. between 15-23 tables. depending on how many FT i have. on avg around 20 i think.

4. i only play turbo 180s. but lately i have been studying gto for cash games quite abit. think i give that a shot very soon. the 180s are nice, but the variance is so horrible. i have to live of it. so i am looking for a game with a less swingy structure.
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Old 10-08-2016, 08:39 PM   #829
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2. around 7 hours (around 100 tournaments)

3. between 15-23 tables. depending on how many FT i have. on avg around 20 i think.
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...the 180s are nice, but the variance is so horrible...
Mass tabling like this will make your ROI to drop (but maybe you´re maximizing your hourly) and low ROIs will make you more sensitive to swings.
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4. i only play turbo 180s. but lately i have been studying gto for cash games quite abit. think i give that a shot very soon. . I am looking for a game with a less swingy structure.
100% agree with you, as much as i enjoy playing them as well as MTTs i just cant take the short term variance anymore and im more than willing to trade long term EV for more short term stability playing a different format. I actually tried transitioning to cash at the end of last year and the beggining of this year, i got my butt kicked at NL10 and some at NL25, i still want to go into cash in the near future but need to have enough liferoll saved to do it for the time i need to properly adjust and not worrty about variance and also money for at least 20h worth of coaching to guide me through the process along with at least 50BIs of bankroll, but yeah i def relate to what your saying.
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Old 10-10-2016, 01:51 PM   #830
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Re: ROI, Bankroll, Moving up, Variance and Downswings (containment thread)

i will start grinding 10nl (and hopefully moving up soon) at the end of this week. Fingers crossed. If you are interested I can let you know how it went after 30k hands or so.
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Old 10-17-2016, 09:47 AM   #831
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18man SNG profitable?

Hey guys , what's your opinion about the 18man SNG.Is this format most profitable than the 45man and the 180man long term?
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Old 10-18-2016, 07:53 PM   #832
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Re: ROI, Bankroll, Moving up, Variance and Downswings (containment thread)

I would say that the profitability of any poker format is not nearly as important as your ability to exploit that profitability. I´ve seen it over and over again people playing X format just because it offers higher hourly than Y but they dont make as much $ in X in comparission to Y. I think just grind the game you feel the most confortable at and where you feel you have an edge.
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Old 10-18-2016, 07:56 PM   #833
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I would say that the profitability of any poker format is not nearly as important as your ability to exploit that profitability. I´ve seen it over and over again people playing X format just because it offers higher hourly than Y but they dont make as much $ in X in comparission to Y. I think just grind the game you feel the most confortable at and where you feel you have an edge.
QUOTE OF A MONTH. AGREE 100%
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Old 10-18-2016, 08:28 PM   #834
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Re: ROI, Bankroll, Moving up, Variance and Downswings (containment thread)

Certainly in the 15 and 30 18 mans people are much better at push fold in general. 18 mans could be good as a learning tool, since the standard is much higher than 180 mans.
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Old 11-16-2016, 12:12 AM   #835
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Re: ROI, Bankroll, Moving up, Variance and Downswings (containment thread)

Hey guys,

I have only dabbled in the really low stakes MTTSTTs as my bankroll is fairly low. I am curious what the effects of moving from $3.50 to $7.00 is in terms of win rate? Is it drastically noticeable.. as in your ROI would be less than 1/2? Or not. I was also wondering what the jump from $7.00 to $15.00 would be like? Would really like to hear players experiences before I make the jump myself in a few weeks down the road.

I used to grind $11 STT SNGs and crush them with no HUD 10 years ago. These days, my bank roll is low and those stakes would scare me lol.
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Old 11-29-2016, 11:38 PM   #836
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Re: ROI, Bankroll, Moving up, Variance and Downswings (containment thread)


http://imgur.com/a/TxkOX

Hey guys,

Here is a small sample of me grinding $3.50 turbos on Stars. 18 and 45 man. I know its a very small sample, but can I extrapolate any idea of how well I would perform at the $7.00 or $15.00 level at these games?
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Old 11-30-2016, 02:56 AM   #837
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Re: ROI, Bankroll, Moving up, Variance and Downswings (containment thread)

The short answer is no, because the sample is too small - and pretty much always will be. Just move up when you feel ready.
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Old 11-30-2016, 07:21 AM   #838
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Re: ROI, Bankroll, Moving up, Variance and Downswings (containment thread)

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http://imgur.com/a/TxkOX

Hey guys,

Here is a small sample of me grinding $3.50 turbos on Stars. 18 and 45 man. I know its a very small sample, but can I extrapolate any idea of how well I would perform at the $7.00 or $15.00 level at these games?
Sample is way too small. You need at least 10k games to really say anything imo. Secondly, don't focus on your results in $ and/or ROI (especially with no sample size). Instead, post a graph of your ev/hands and ev bb/100 from every position. Then we can tell. GL
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Old 12-03-2016, 03:41 AM   #839
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Re: ROI, Bankroll, Moving up, Variance and Downswings (containment thread)

As far as your rankings on Official Poker Rankings, for grinding 18 and 45 man MTTSNGs, how valid is your ranking on that site? Do you guys give it much credibility as far as how good of a tournament player you believe you are?

I have fluctuated between the top 5% and top 4% recently. My current rating is 95.87% for this year.

I'm just wondering if that is anything to feel good about, or if that will just falsely inflate my ego.
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Old 12-03-2016, 04:10 AM   #840
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Re: ROI, Bankroll, Moving up, Variance and Downswings (containment thread)

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As far as your rankings on Official Poker Rankings, for grinding 18 and 45 man MTTSNGs, how valid is your ranking on that site? Do you guys give it much credibility as far as how good of a tournament player you believe you are?

I have fluctuated between the top 5% and top 4% recently. My current rating is 95.87% for this year.

I'm just wondering if that is anything to feel good about, or if that will just falsely inflate my ego.
pretty much this. work hard and dont give a **** about rankings
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