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 07-05-2012, 03:19 PM #1 stranger   Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 3 Ranges PokerStars 18 Man SNG When studying Push/Fold/Call ranges, Is the utilization of "M" the correct way to best study to improve our ranges? And if "M" is the superior marker of when we should be shoving etc, does effective "M" come into play in say a 2 table SNG, I.e Sometimes your table will be down to 5-6 guys while waiting for the final 9 to proceed to the final table. Say we have a regular M of 9, but there is only 5 players left, so we would take the 4 missing seats and divide by 9 and get .44, so then our equation to determine our actual M, is 9 (our original m) x (4/9) = 9 x (.44) = 3.96, therefore while under these table dynamics, we should be shoving like our M is in reality 3.96? I have SNGWIZ and I want to be able to study/quiz spots, is there an effective way to utilize this software for studying purposes to eventually be able to have solid ranges in game?
 07-06-2012, 02:35 AM #2 journeyman     Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 239 Re: Ranges PokerStars 18 Man SNG I just use BB for 18mans personally. They're really soft tbh.
 07-06-2012, 06:33 AM #3 grinder     Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 509 Re: Ranges PokerStars 18 Man SNG Mango what stakes ur playing stating 18s are soft nowadays?
 07-06-2012, 08:25 AM #4 journeyman     Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 239 Re: Ranges PokerStars 18 Man SNG \$3.5 , i suck at anything higher than 3.5\$ MTTSNG.
 07-25-2012, 10:13 AM #5 stranger   Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 7 Re: Ranges PokerStars 18 Man SNG I think 99% of people use bbs instead of M these days...
 07-25-2012, 05:17 PM #6 journeyman   Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 399 Re: Ranges PokerStars 18 Man SNG @op: Use nash and then readjust Ranges if players are to loose or tight.Sngwiz will do more harm than good to your game.
 07-25-2012, 07:58 PM #7 veteran     Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Maracaibo, Venezuela Posts: 2,648 Re: Ranges PokerStars 18 Man SNG Use BB and just adjust ranges depending on effective stack and table size
07-30-2012, 01:26 AM   #8
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Re: Ranges PokerStars 18 Man SNG

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 Originally Posted by Maniac81 @op: Use nash and then readjust Ranges if players are to loose or tight.Sngwiz will do more harm than good to your game.
I think it's actually the opposite ...sngwiz is much better than nash.

07-31-2012, 09:39 AM   #9
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Re: Ranges PokerStars 18 Man SNG

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 Originally Posted by touche I think it's actually the opposite ...sngwiz is much better than nash.
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07-31-2012, 11:14 AM   #10
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Re: Ranges PokerStars 18 Man SNG

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 Originally Posted by touche I think it's actually the opposite ...sngwiz is much better than nash.
Well everybody has his own opinion.

 08-08-2012, 11:16 PM #11 enthusiast   Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 83 Re: Ranges PokerStars 18 Man SNG Personally I've never used M for my game. I have always preferred using bb's. I usually start looking to get into push/fold between 8-10bb, sometimes higher and sometimes lower, depending on the other players at the table, stack sizes, and how many players are left. Really though, 18 man sng's are easy games, they were about the only sng I played on Stars when they still let me play there besides 180's
08-08-2012, 11:52 PM   #12

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Re: Ranges PokerStars 18 Man SNG

The example I quote below was in reference to 180 mans, but the concept still applies. M is a far superior guide to studying ranges than bb is.

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 Originally Posted by Aliquantum The greater the ratio of the antes to the blinds, the wider your ranges should be. This is one of the fundamental disadvantages of using your stack size in terms of BB's to guide your play, rather than say your M ratio which accounts for the size of the antes. I am confident that anyone with a large sample size that hasn't considered the ante to blind ratio will notice a divergence in the amount per hand they've won at 200/400 (1/4 ante to SB ratio) vs say 150/300 or 300/600 (1/6 ante to SB ratio).

08-08-2012, 11:55 PM   #13

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Re: Ranges PokerStars 18 Man SNG

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 Originally Posted by I.e Sometimes your table will be down to 5-6 guys while waiting for the final 9 to proceed to the final table. Say we have a regular M of 9, but there is only 5 players left, so we would take the 4 missing seats and divide by 9 and get .44, so then our equation to determine our actual M, is 9 (our original m) x (4/9) = 9 x (.44) = 3.96, therefore while under these table dynamics, we should be shoving like our M is in reality 3.96? I have SNGWIZ and I want to be able to study/quiz spots, is there an effective way to utilize this software for studying purposes to eventually be able to have solid ranges in game?
As far as this bit goes, the work-around used by most players is that their ranges depend on the number of players left to act. So in that regard, using bb's to guide your play approximates somewhat to using an M ratio, because we're shoving UTG (9 players, large M) much tighter than we are shoving the CO (4 players, small M).

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