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Old 07-05-2012, 03:19 PM   #1
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Ranges PokerStars 18 Man SNG

When studying Push/Fold/Call ranges,

Is the utilization of "M" the correct way to best study to improve our ranges?

And if "M" is the superior marker of when we should be shoving etc,
does effective "M" come into play in say a 2 table SNG,

I.e

Sometimes your table will be down to 5-6 guys while waiting for the final 9 to proceed to the final table.

Say we have a regular M of 9, but there is only 5 players left, so we would
take the 4 missing seats and divide by 9 and get .44, so then our equation to determine our actual M, is 9 (our original m) x (4/9) = 9 x (.44) = 3.96, therefore while under these table dynamics, we should be shoving like our M is in reality 3.96?

I have SNGWIZ and I want to be able to study/quiz spots, is there an effective way to utilize this software for studying purposes to eventually be able to have solid ranges in game?
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Old 07-06-2012, 02:35 AM   #2
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Re: Ranges PokerStars 18 Man SNG

I just use BB for 18mans personally. They're really soft tbh.
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Old 07-06-2012, 06:33 AM   #3
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Re: Ranges PokerStars 18 Man SNG

Mango what stakes ur playing stating 18s are soft nowadays?
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Old 07-06-2012, 08:25 AM   #4
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Re: Ranges PokerStars 18 Man SNG

$3.5 , i suck at anything higher than 3.5$ MTTSNG.
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Old 07-25-2012, 10:13 AM   #5
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Re: Ranges PokerStars 18 Man SNG

I think 99% of people use bbs instead of M these days...
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Old 07-25-2012, 05:17 PM   #6
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Re: Ranges PokerStars 18 Man SNG

@op: Use nash and then readjust Ranges if players are to loose or tight.Sngwiz will do more harm than good to your game.
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Old 07-25-2012, 07:58 PM   #7
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Re: Ranges PokerStars 18 Man SNG

Use BB and just adjust ranges depending on effective stack and table size
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Old 07-30-2012, 01:26 AM   #8
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Re: Ranges PokerStars 18 Man SNG

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@op: Use nash and then readjust Ranges if players are to loose or tight.Sngwiz will do more harm than good to your game.
I think it's actually the opposite ...sngwiz is much better than nash.
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I think it's actually the opposite ...sngwiz is much better than nash.
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Old 07-31-2012, 11:14 AM   #10
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I think it's actually the opposite ...sngwiz is much better than nash.
Well everybody has his own opinion.
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Old 08-08-2012, 11:16 PM   #11
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Re: Ranges PokerStars 18 Man SNG

Personally I've never used M for my game. I have always preferred using bb's. I usually start looking to get into push/fold between 8-10bb, sometimes higher and sometimes lower, depending on the other players at the table, stack sizes, and how many players are left. Really though, 18 man sng's are easy games, they were about the only sng I played on Stars when they still let me play there besides 180's
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Old 08-08-2012, 11:52 PM   #12
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Re: Ranges PokerStars 18 Man SNG

The example I quote below was in reference to 180 mans, but the concept still applies. M is a far superior guide to studying ranges than bb is.


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The greater the ratio of the antes to the blinds, the wider your ranges should be. This is one of the fundamental disadvantages of using your stack size in terms of BB's to guide your play, rather than say your M ratio which accounts for the size of the antes.

I am confident that anyone with a large sample size that hasn't considered the ante to blind ratio will notice a divergence in the amount per hand they've won at 200/400 (1/4 ante to SB ratio) vs say 150/300 or 300/600 (1/6 ante to SB ratio).
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Old 08-08-2012, 11:55 PM   #13
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Re: Ranges PokerStars 18 Man SNG

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I.e

Sometimes your table will be down to 5-6 guys while waiting for the final 9 to proceed to the final table.

Say we have a regular M of 9, but there is only 5 players left, so we would
take the 4 missing seats and divide by 9 and get .44, so then our equation to determine our actual M, is 9 (our original m) x (4/9) = 9 x (.44) = 3.96, therefore while under these table dynamics, we should be shoving like our M is in reality 3.96?

I have SNGWIZ and I want to be able to study/quiz spots, is there an effective way to utilize this software for studying purposes to eventually be able to have solid ranges in game?
As far as this bit goes, the work-around used by most players is that their ranges depend on the number of players left to act. So in that regard, using bb's to guide your play approximates somewhat to using an M ratio, because we're shoving UTG (9 players, large M) much tighter than we are shoving the CO (4 players, small M).
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