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QQ facing 4bet shove QQ facing 4bet shove

12-28-2015 , 08:59 AM
Just wondering who would 1. Just flat the raise pre and 2. call the 4bet shove? I'm feeling the fold in this spot but I the pot odds are good so it makes it difficult. Villain is tight over 362 so I have to think is range here is AKs, AA, KK and maybe the unlikely QQ. If that's his range its a bad call, if I throw in AKo then I think the call is ok here.

PokerStars - $2.28+$0.22|25/50 Ante 6 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 23.7 BB (VPIP: 18.28, PFR: 14.12, 3Bet Preflop: 2.08, Hands: 93)
BTN: 36.34 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: 28.1 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
Hero (BB): 32.24 BB
UTG: 49.68 BB (VPIP: 14.21, PFR: 11.69, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 362)
UTG+1: 27.5 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
MP: 38.08 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 29.41, 3Bet Preflop: 15.38, Hands: 93)
MP+1: 27.74 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
MP+2: 35.68 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)

9 players post ante of 0.12 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.58 BB) Hero has Q Q

UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 7.5 BB, UTG raises to 49.56 BB and is all-in, fold, Hero?
12-28-2015 , 09:55 AM
Defo not flatting the raise - It would be a big mistake to play QQ 3 way and OOP - QQ is a very strong holding and you should be looking to GII pre! He can be shoving here hands that you got 80/20 such as AQ,JJ,10s,9s. Yes he'll have the occasional AA and KK but folding here is too weak for sure.
12-28-2015 , 04:22 PM
call is not ok even with AKo in his range (AK, QQ+)
What is his PR from EP?
vs 3% or more is a profitable call.
12-29-2015 , 04:44 AM
^ The effective stack is our 32.12 BB (after the ante), so we need 36.30% to call for chip EV.

We have 39.8% against KK+, AK so we are fine. Regardless of observed tendencies in terms of what hands he opens, I don't see we can be so confident that he never has JJ or AQs here that we worry too much about him flatting AK (if he flats AK doesn't he sometimes flat KK+ too? - so that doesn't automatically mean the range is weighted towards KK+ and away from AK).

Last edited by LektorAJ; 12-29-2015 at 04:49 AM.
12-29-2015 , 06:35 AM
yeah. sorry. misscalculated. human errors.

so vs KK+,AK is a call. It's early in the tournament so BF~1. +EV call. Hard to say he doesn't shove AK here regarless of his tight range.

I personally don't think there is any1 who would not consider shoving AK in this spot.

      
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