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Old 02-20-2012, 09:56 AM   #126
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A timer until the next blind increase would be good.
Use "info" tab?
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Old 02-20-2012, 10:17 AM   #127
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could be worth looking into promoting pot limit omaha, its more of a action game and the gap between the level of play between the regs and the new players wouldnt be as great. Maybe adding a ante in the later stages of omaha sitngos and tournaments, unless there is a reason why there is no ante?
It would be interesting to know if new players play more or less than new players 5 years ago.
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Old 02-20-2012, 11:52 AM   #128
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Use "info" tab?
Bit of a pain when playing a lot of tables and it doesn't give seconds.
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:26 PM   #129
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We are considering various options for changes to leaderboards for Sit & Gos. Some of those potential options include a separate leaderboard for 45-180s, re-structuring Battle of the Planets or perhaps even a completely new approach to promoting Sit & Gos.

As has been noted in the thread, a survey seeking feedback on leaderboards and Battle of the Planets has been sent out to a representative group of players. If feedback from the survey indicates that Battle of the Planets isn’t a major factor for players when deciding what to play, we would consider changing to a simpler, cut-down version and diverting funds to other SNG promotions instead.

If anyone has any promotional ideas for Sit & Gos, by all means suggest them in this thread. Bear in mind that one of the major reasons for any promotion is to encourage new players to play Sit & Gos, although they have to make business sense as well. So while “Free money for all SNG players!” would no doubt boost the player pool, we probably wouldn’t go for that

Promotions should aim to attract new players rather than just moving a player from one game to another. Also consider the possibility of promotional ideas that might not benefit you immediately, but would indirectly benefit you in the longer term by boosting the player pool and making games more attractive.
Pleeeeease don't make the leaderboard as luck based as Battle of the Planets. MTT type leaderboards are just so much better.
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Old 02-20-2012, 02:27 PM   #130
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Maybe a type of leaderboard that takes into account the amount of tables you are playing as well; In a type of average. That way both new players who play 4 tables won't get CRUSHED by 40 tabling regs in the leaderboard.
I suggest this just because the leaderboard will basically become about who can pump out the highest volume (like merges), which isn't going to attract new players when they figure this out.

Basically some kind of method that will show the skill edge a player has but isn't dominated by volume so that it is the same x amount of regs in the top places.
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Old 02-20-2012, 04:58 PM   #131
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^^ no offence sir, but there is no way this will happen.
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Old 02-20-2012, 06:44 PM   #132
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+1 for $8/180s nonturbo
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Old 02-20-2012, 07:30 PM   #133
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^^ no offence sir, but there is no way this will happen.
I know but thought I'd throw that kind of idea out there. The whole point of the leaderboards is ultimately to increase rake so obv they are gonna make it volume heavy to try and get players how play 2k a month to play 3k
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Old 02-20-2012, 08:26 PM   #134
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+1 for $8/180s nonturbo
trust me 8/180s are too low to increase your hourly longterm.

fme there will be 4 or 5 4s running and one bigger one. so you increase the ABI by 1$ or something, with 15s (even if they just run ~15% as often as 4s) the ABI would be higher + you can still mix them in when moving up to midstakes.
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Old 02-21-2012, 07:03 AM   #135
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Re: *** OFFICIAL PokerStars MTTSNG Suggestion Thread ***

More Heads Up MTT please!
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Old 02-21-2012, 01:31 PM   #136
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Cant help but feel like thread this is giving the work experience kid something to do while in the Pokerstars office for the week. 45s/180s got nothing in the 10th anniversary promotion...and that was temporary. Maybe that was too generous, you haven't put up the rake for a few months now.

Surely its time reward the cash game players with 3rd Tuesday of the week million dollar giveaway again. Or the you have played 10 hands today, here is a bonus for you. A better use of your time seems to be thinking up ways to go please those cash game nits who have been stealing rakeback from others for years.

Its not even as if promotions cost you, there's what say $100 million of players money Pokerstars holds from SnGs? If you get 3% interest each year that's $3 million that can be put into promotions. Sure some of that goes into BoP but 45-180 players don't see any of that.

Your aim is to get new players to join Pokerstars. This grows the site and gives regs a better bottom line. Everyone wins. Games are so much better when there is a deposit bonus. Either have a monthly bonus specific to a game (e.g. for march have a 100% match bonus that only releases when you play 18 mans, for April 100% match bonus that only releases when you play 45 mans). Even if it works out at 80% effective rakeback you still make 20% from everyone. For new players you have them as customers who deposit, and for regs they will add the new games in (e.g. 18 man grinder starts playing 45 mans for a month because of the bonus) which they wont be as good at (in the short term at least). The next month the 45 man players play 18 mans and so 18 mans become softer.

Also, instead of having a $100k freeroll or whatever, use that $100k to have freeroll SnGs. This is why we play SnGs, so we don't have to be at a computer at certain time. People can pick what freeroll they want to play in; 6/9/18/45/180 games. Even make people play a certain amount of games in a day/week before they are allowed to play it is you want.

One last idea, have a refer a friend program. If a new player deposits and clear 10k vpps they both get a bonus. It acts as motivation ("lets clear the bonus and we have a free night out" type thing). The first person in effect becomes a Pokerstars rep motivating the friend to play. For complete beginners it also makes them download the software, alot of peoplewho have no clue think poker is shady. If your friend recommends it (because they stand to benefit from you playing) and shows it is safe to put money on an internet poker site they then in turn tell others, results in a steady flow of new players...again good for regs bottom line.
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Old 02-21-2012, 02:41 PM   #137
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Re: *** OFFICIAL PokerStars MTTSNG Suggestion Thread ***

I think the way BOP works pretty well in rewarding recreational and regular players with the tier system. Which is what promo should do.

I certainly wouldn't be against a pure copy of BOP for 45/180 mans, don't think the mtt leaderboard would work in encouraging recreational players.
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Old 02-21-2012, 07:59 PM   #138
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Re: *** OFFICIAL PokerStars MTTSNG Suggestion Thread ***

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1r 180s
7-8r 180s

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cut 8s, replace with 5s, as well as 8 rebuys. that makes abi scale 2.5 - 5 - 10 - 15 - 24 - 35 instead of 2.5 - 8 - 10 - 15 - 35


Also, seperate leaderboard for MTTSNGs, cause 180s can't compete for MTT leaderboard
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requesting 180man $8 rebuys as well as like $75 dollar 180s



i also agree with this statement about leaderboards
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+1 to 180 leaderboard. i dont want 8s to dissapear i like them xD
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+1 to 180 leaderboard. That'd be really great. Also like the idea of introducing a $5 level.
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+1

180 leaderboard and more type of buy ins (also for rebuy)
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+1 for 180 ladderboards. 7/8r would be great.
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-180man leadeboards /battlepalents including 18+45+90mans
-8s rebuys yammy yam

thats all i want
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Ideas ive seen so far that I like:

180man leaderboards (with a view to banning the players who end up on it)
8r turbo 180mans
Im not sure about the fish losing interest cause they have to wait a few seconds, they seem to love it when the bubble approaches

Also the sunday shutdowns are annoying.
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+1 to a 180 leaderboard this would be awesome!

also pleaseeeee add a higher buyin 180 like $50/$60, I think this would attract both, recreational players and grinders because the payouts will be so nice
+1 to all this
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Old 02-21-2012, 08:55 PM   #139
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Re: *** OFFICIAL PokerStars MTTSNG Suggestion Thread ***

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As of today, we allow two Chinese players in 45-man cash Sit & Gos. There are no restrictions in cash Sit & Gos with more than 45 players.
This is great news. Thank you!
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:07 AM   #140
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Walmsley, can you put a NLO8 45 man turbo a test run? I believe that given the popularity of the 18 mans NLO8s and 45 man NLHoldem tournaments will make this one a success. While argument of the $1 45 man non-turbos not being popular enough to make this happen is fair, but the turbo structure changes things completely for most recreational players (who are usually short on time).

Would you be willing to put a $1.50, $3.50 and $7.00 version for a trial period to see how successful/unsuccessful they are? These games will surely affect the 18 man pool, but will also draw more players to the game as a whole with NLHoldem 45 mans giving this a shot.
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Old 02-22-2012, 07:09 AM   #141
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Re: *** OFFICIAL PokerStars MTTSNG Suggestion Thread ***

Having read through most of the evidence regarding changes affecting player pools and all the rest of it I have come to the following conclusion:

BOP for 180's will draw more players in (as long as it gets ad good coverage)
I dont think an 8r 180man would spread the 3r pool out too much (and may also attract some more MTT'ers)
And a BIG 180 man on Sundays ($109?) with feeders ect would bring in some interest (tickets for this could also be linked to the leaderboard as an incentive).

Also nearly forgot, some kind of VPP/FPP happy hour???

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Old 02-22-2012, 07:47 AM   #142
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BOP should have an extra orbit. Rewarding the lucky, the skillful, and the volumers. Keep low at 20 games I guess for maximum fish reward. Make the high the new middle orbit except up it from 100 games to 250 to bring some more skill into it. And high orbit can be 500-1000 or maybe just unlimited no. of game.

Also a monthly leaderboard which maybe incorporates all SnG players so anyone from a 6max to a 180m player can win it. But the points scoring system needs to be solid, simple, and not some weirdo square root crap.
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Old 02-22-2012, 08:08 AM   #143
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BOP should have an extra orbit. Rewarding the lucky, the skillful, and the volumers. Keep low at 20 games I guess for maximum fish reward. Make the high the new middle orbit except up it from 100 games to 250 to bring some more skill into it. And high orbit can be 500-1000 or maybe just unlimited no. of game.

Also a monthly leaderboard which maybe incorporates all SnG players so anyone from a 6max to a 180m player can win it. But the points scoring system needs to be solid, simple, and not some weirdo square root crap.
I dont think your anywhere near close. If you want to go that way I would think low orbit needs to be <100, mid <1000 and high 1000+. If were gonna put some effort into getting the fish involved lets at least push them for 100 games.

I dont consider myself a 'Reg' and I could easily play 600 a month in my spare time.
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Old 02-22-2012, 09:19 AM   #144
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I dont think your anywhere near close. If you want to go that way I would think low orbit needs to be <100, mid <1000 and high 1000+. If were gonna put some effort into getting the fish involved lets at least push them for 100 games.

I dont consider myself a 'Reg' and I could easily play 600 a month in my spare time.
BOP is weekly not monthly. I agree with your numbers for my own selfish advantage, but 100 games a week isn't fair on fish so there is no argument there at all.

The next level has to be the skill level because the unlimited or >1000 games level is going to reward the volumers only (most of the time) and 100 games still has too much luck involved, but 1000 games in a week for mid orbit is ridiculous.
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Old 02-22-2012, 09:21 AM   #145
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Surely something like 50, 300, >300 would be fairly decent in encapsulating the entire range of player types (per week obv).
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Old 02-22-2012, 09:59 AM   #146
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BOP should have an extra orbit. Rewarding the lucky, the skillful, and the volumers. Keep low at 20 games I guess for maximum fish reward. Make the high the new middle orbit except up it from 100 games to 250 to bring some more skill into it. And high orbit can be 500-1000 or maybe just unlimited no. of game.

Also a monthly leaderboard which maybe incorporates all SnG players so anyone from a 6max to a 180m player can win it. But the points scoring system needs to be solid, simple, and not some weirdo square root crap.



+1 to all these suggestions and any future ones

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Old 02-22-2012, 10:19 AM   #147
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The sn is ironic not supportive
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Old 02-22-2012, 10:58 AM   #148
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Walmsley, can you put a NLO8 45 man turbo a test run? I believe that given the popularity of the 18 mans NLO8s and 45 man NLHoldem tournaments will make this one a success. While argument of the $1 45 man non-turbos not being popular enough to make this happen is fair, but the turbo structure changes things completely for most recreational players (who are usually short on time).

Would you be willing to put a $1.50, $3.50 and $7.00 version for a trial period to see how successful/unsuccessful they are? These games will surely affect the 18 man pool, but will also draw more players to the game as a whole with NLHoldem 45 mans giving this a shot.
make it PLO8, means you have to actually play the game instead of waiting for AA2x and moving all in
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Im not so sure, its seem those who screem 'turbo' all the time are the loudest. But are they the majority, too?
they are the majority, think we have all forgotten how to play post-flop
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make it PLO8, means you have to actually play the game instead of waiting for AA2x and moving all in
Nlo8 is by far the better game for a random to want to join. Many nlholdem players will have no idea how much the pot sized raise it.

Also, I wouldn't go all in with aa2, you're missing out on a bunch of value when you play exploitable Poker at the non-micro stakes
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