*** OFFICIAL PokerStars MTTSNG Suggestion Thread *** - Page 58 - MTT Poker Strategy

Players will never do this as it would be damaging to their bottom line and that's all they (most) care about which is hilariously ironic as all this outrage is a result of the same criticism ( be it correctly/incorrectly) being levelled at Stars by said players.

hurts a player's bottom line short term, but helps it long term...

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01-24-2013 , 11:00 AM

#1428

ontemu

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 190

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Originally Posted by PokerStars Baard

[*]Moving all MTT Sit&Go's from the MTT lobby (not including satellites).[*]Leaving things as they were before the rebuy tournament was moved.

I will return to you on this topic when I have more information for you and will not comment further until then.

Thanks,
Baard

So basically you'll be back in a few weeks to announce that all 180's will be removed from the lobby,v and there's nothing we can do about it?

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01-24-2013 , 11:13 AM

#1429

comfortseat

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 164

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Originally Posted by ontemu

So basically you'll be back in a few weeks to announce that all 180's will be removed from the lobby,v and there's nothing we can do about it?

that would really be terrible for the 180s

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01-24-2013 , 11:15 AM

#1430

TheWard

centurion

Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 123

I would like to see a level between $2.50 and $8.
Maybe something like $5 buyin 180 players.
Thx for ur time

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01-24-2013 , 11:18 AM

#1431

burnJa

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,630

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Originally Posted by Langerdang

Stars works for us. We don't work for them. If enough regs sit out from 180s it will certainly make a difference. Those greedy idiots that would play, looking forward to soft fields and bigger profits, should eventually notice how dumb they are. If 180s stop running every 2 minutes and change to 10 minutes or more, yes ROI will go up but their hourly profits will probably stay the same or maybe drop

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01-24-2013 , 11:34 AM

#1432

superslug

adept

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 701

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Originally Posted by Langerdang

I think the point is blatantly obvious, whether you agree with it or not is a different matter.

Stars could very easily write a post saying the exact opposite of everything you've just said and it would be equally plausible.

Stars obviously have access to a whole lot of data and statistics that players aren't privy to. If I were to take a stab in the dark I would assume they feel that recreational players are burning money too quickly for their liking in 3r 180's.

Then they should come out and say if this is the case instead of using clutter as an excuse. They should be more up front with us, I'm still not buying it.

Don't see the point in feedback if they aren't going to listen. Pokerstars supposedly prides itself in customer service as well.

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01-24-2013 , 11:39 AM

#1433

gaaish

stranger

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 4

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Originally Posted by superslug

Then they should come out and say if this is the case instead of using clutter as an excuse. They should be more up front with us, I'm still not buying it.

Don't see the point in feedback if they aren't going to listen. Pokerstars supposedly prides itself in customer service as well.

+1kk

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01-24-2013 , 12:01 PM

#1434

ready 2 win

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,968

No pay jump between 10-12, just redistribute it to all places between 10-18

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01-24-2013 , 12:50 PM

#1435

burnJa

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,630

for the record- im not suggesting a boycott in my previous post

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Originally Posted by ready 2 win

No pay jump between 10-12, just redistribute it to all places between 10-18

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01-24-2013 , 12:59 PM

#1436

Aliquantum

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,691

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Originally Posted by PokerStars Baard

However, we did communicate this well ahead of time, so I doubt anyone was surprised.

You're wrong. We're very surprised. Surprised that our comments and feedback were blatantly ignored.

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Originally Posted by PokerStars Baard

At present, I am not committing to how long the test will run

But you already have?

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Originally Posted by PokerStars Baard

In addition I would like to mention that we are considering removing the 3+r from the Scheduled Tourney lobby for a week, showing it only in the Sit&Go lobby.

Not even sure why I pointing this out, its not as if you care, and you can always just dodge and weave and ignore us until it goes away. Or simply say that you won't be commenting on it further.

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01-24-2013 , 01:05 PM

#1437

Aliquantum

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,691

I also agree that the 10-12 payjump should be removed and redistributed to 10-18. Making 19-27 get precisely the buy-in back and redistributing to 10-18 or the top 3 could also be an idea.

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01-24-2013 , 01:43 PM

#1438

Sect7G

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,234

Did he ever give an explanation for what's the purpose of this test?

Last edited by Sect7G; 01-24-2013 at 01:52 PM.

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01-24-2013 , 02:19 PM

#1439

RandomGuy2

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,179

180 payouts:

Step 1: Pay top 26 instead of 27 so that everyone is at a 9 handed table on the bubble.
Step 2: Take the saved $16.11 and add it back for places 1 to 3.

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01-24-2013 , 02:35 PM

#1440

Sokz

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 1,331

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Originally Posted by Aliquantum

I also agree that the 10-12 payjump should be removed and redistributed to top 3

I like.

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01-24-2013 , 02:58 PM

#1441

Aliquantum

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,691

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Originally Posted by Sect7G

Did he ever give an explanation for what's the purpose of this test?

Nope. And as far as he's concerned the matter is closed and he won't be commenting further. Customer service is an easy game!

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01-24-2013 , 03:14 PM

#1442

PokerStars Baard

PokerStars Sit & Go and Tournament Manager

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 461

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Originally Posted by RandomGuy2

180 payouts:

Step 1: Pay top 26 instead of 27 so that everyone is at a 9 handed table on the bubble.
Step 2: Take the saved $16.11 and add it back for places 1 to 3.

Thanks for the suggestion, but paying 27 means that there are four tables of seven on the bubble. My opinion is that it is more natural to start in the money with 3 tables of nine players.

Baard

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01-24-2013 , 03:17 PM

#1443

PokerStars Baard

PokerStars Sit & Go and Tournament Manager

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 461

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Originally Posted by ready 2 win

No pay jump between 10-12, just redistribute it to all places between 10-18

I am definitely not against this in principle, but I put it in because there were some players who wanted some staggering of the payouts between 10-18. If there is a majority against this, I could be convinced into changing it.

Baard

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01-24-2013 , 04:22 PM

#1444

Andrew23122

adept

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 812

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Originally Posted by Langerdang

Stars obviously have access to a whole lot of data and statistics that players aren't privy to.

+1

I think people are over looking the fact that a business needs to be run here. If you think you understand the reasoning of removing 3rs from the lobby, then you all are completely wrong.

Everyone just keeps worrying about their ROI and Hourly when it comes to complaining about anything ITT.

IMO the 3rs were a perfect option to test out simply because they are the most popular. So lets see if the business majors can figure that one out...

Last edited by Andrew23122; 01-24-2013 at 04:30 PM.

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01-24-2013 , 04:33 PM

#1445

Andrew23122

adept

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 812

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Originally Posted by PokerStars Baard

There were some players who wanted some staggering of the payouts between 10-18.

I agree with some staggering between 10-18.

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01-24-2013 , 06:30 PM

#1446

ready 2 win

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,968

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Originally Posted by PokerStars Baard

Thanks for your reply, but fwiw I think there is majority is in favour of no staggering between 10-18 and I dont see a point of staggering to be honest. If there is a strong reason why there should be one I am open for it.

I know there is one in MTTs between 10-12 and 13-18 but I do not think that should be a reason to apply it to 180s as well because in MTTs the pay jump is more often than not a lot higher than what we are talking about 10-12 and 13-18 in 180s given the chart you posted above.

I def support that idea:

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Originally Posted by Aliquantum

I also agree that the 10-12 payjump should be removed and redistributed to 10-18. Making 19-27 get precisely the buy-in back and redistributing to 10-18 or the top 3 could also be an idea.

and lean towards to redistribute it between 10-18.

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01-24-2013 , 06:32 PM

#1447

ready 2 win

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,968

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Originally Posted by Andrew23122

Sorry for the double post but I dont want to get that one mixed with my reply to Baard but can you pls enlighten us what the real reason is then when we are all complete wrong?

Thanks in advance.

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01-24-2013 , 07:37 PM

#1448

vers

See my staking thread

Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,831

Where's the need to pay out more people in 180s. Who cares about getting their buy-in back? I suppose it's just to get more recreational players in and keep them on the site for longer?

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01-24-2013 , 09:08 PM

#1449

Don Stefanello

veteran

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 2,222

meh im more for 10-12 and 13-18 pay jump just because randoms will look at it more carefully like icm wise and i have more 10-12 finishes than 13-18 so that means my roi will be some small % bigger with pay jumps than if there isnt any, basically you dont lose anything with pay jumps and if you are on the better side of the regs you will have that small % better roi as you finish more often than not in that particular places so i can see how good regs will like this options with pay jumps to be better for them

Last edited by Don Stefanello; 01-24-2013 at 09:13 PM.

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01-24-2013 , 09:12 PM

#1450

Don Stefanello

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Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 2,222

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Originally Posted by vers

Where's the need to pay out more people in 180s. Who cares about getting their buy-in back? I suppose it's just to get more recreational players in and keep them on the site for longer?

yes thats the whole point of this

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