I would like to request Zoom SNG mtts, would be massive imo.

Screw zoom hard in the arse and all it stands for. Fools

Scheduled Zoom MTTs would be cool, but please no zoom 180s. It would be bad for everybody

THey wanna create the illusion of doing something for the players.
Even tho we asking for higher rebuys they just go like ok they want higher rebuys? fine, u ll get 7$ R 90 mens, oh they not running? ok then no higher rebuys anymore.

this, dont worry we wont rub it in when you trial a 10r/180 turbo that pops off a 100 times on sunday!!

no, it wouldn't

i dont think this is the case, i think they are genuinely concerned with liquidity (though their caution is unfounded imo) and they have concerns they are not citing that a higher rebuy 180 will really take off and somewhat redirect traffic to a game which isnt raked as hard, which is well founded imo)


higher bi rebuy 180s arent going to hurt existing freezeout 180s very much tho (as long as the actual reg abi is on par with a 35 more than a 15, i think the 15s could be hurt by a 7) and more traffic/rake is a good thing even if games arent raked as hard as others

Not necessarily unfounded.

I'm sure we've all seen the direction in which some of the scheduled tournament guarantees have been going lately. And even though they're being dropped all over the place, overlays are still starting to creep in.

There is a certain amount of overlap in the player pools for 180s and 'proper' MTTs; we know this is true because many of us in here mix both when we're grinding. Maybe those who are purely recreational players don't multitable as much as regs, but they probably switch a bit between the two when they're choosing a game.

So if MTTs are looking like they're on the verge of struggling then maybe 180s aren't be as healthy as they used to be either, because of the shared liquidity between the two very similar formats.

i had been thinking about conflict only with other 180 bis

the mtt traffic issue as of late is certainly cause for concern, i hadnt thought about that

The weather has been very good in Europe recently I expect we're just going to have to accept more seasonal variations in traffic.

Come on stars... add bb1000 level in 45man

+1 to the bb1000 level for 45's.

In fact I think changing the 45 structure to mirror the 180 would be very +ev. The difference in average stacks for FT and bubble time between 45s and 18s is pretty big.

For the 18s also I think going from 100/200 to 100/200 ante is a bit weird. For me a bettter idea would be to bring in ante at the 75/150 level or even 50/100, then instead of having two 100/200 levels, eadd a 125/250 18's.

$60 180s 24/7 now?

7r 90s still "running"... sigh

also, been summer like in southern Ontario, probably other places, for past week-two weeks, probably adding to the low traffic

can see them in the lobby but not sure if thats just left over from sunday, I hope they are 24/7 though, even if they dont run often it surely can't do anything bad by having them there?

Unseasonally good weather in a few parts of the world isn't enough to explain that away, because these guarantees and bigger were being hit and crushed throughout previous summers, and there are plenty of other parts of the world which get year-round sun anyway.

Take the 3r at 14:30 ET as perhaps the most obvious example; it has dropped from a 60k guarantee which it always hit pre BF, to 40k after, which it still hit for a while, but now it only has a 30k guarantee — and it even missed that on Saturday night, offering almost $1k in overlay.

Yesterday (Sunday) evening there was a $2.75 freezeout which missed its 7.5k guarantee by more than 300 entrants, and iirc, the 2,000 seat gtd mega satty to the $11 micro-million was offering something like 8k overlay on 22k gtd.

We're talking about small stakes stuff here, where a lot of the money flows into the poker economy, and which should always be able to attract lots of runners. It could very well be that there's simply too much on offer already, spreading the player pool too thin, and that weaker games should actually be culled, instead of adding even more games to thin things even further.

Actually, as I think about this while I'm typing it, a lot of what I'm about to say now could probably be relevant to BryanS in the Stars MTT suggestion thread in MTTc as well, and perhaps Stars should start getting rid of all the gimmicky crap like ante up if they want to do something to secure the MTT schedule.

Anyway, getting back to the health of SNGs, I also suspect that those dreadful new Time tournaments, many of which look to me like they play somewhat faster than a turbo, but not as fast as a hyper, have taken far too many recreational players away from MTT SNGs and are perhaps a hidden factor in the concerns Walmsley and his team have regarding the liquidity in 180s. They have been marketed as being for those people who want to play a tourney but only have a fixed window of time. But instead of introducing these Time tourneys, those players should have been guided to SNGs.

You want a 15 minute fix? 6max hyper STT is your answer. Half an hour or so? Go play a 9man turbo. An hour (plus or minus a 'bit')? Turbo 18s and 45s are ready and waiting for you. Around 2 hours? 180s. That's the whole point of SNGs — their availability, and fairly constant run-times. These various new Time tournaments are pretty much in direct competition with SNGs of corresponding runtimes, and once again the player pool is being spread too thin over too many options.

If Time tourneys were scrapped because they are part of what is destroying SNGs, and then if all SNGs (except perhaps the NBI HUSNGs) had an estimated running time in the lobby, specific to that particular flavour of SNG, then you could tweak the way you market SNGs and guide people to the best one for them, based on the time they have available. Do something like a three sigma, so for instance, in all turbo 180 lobbies you could say that 99.7% of tournaments of this format are complete in 1 hr 55 minutes (or whatever it actually is, I'm sure you have the data for this).

Walmsley, please consider pushing for this, and do whatever has to be done to get SNGs back on their feet. Even though you may be right about the current lack of liquidity for something such as a 10r/180, or a reg speed 180 higher than $4.50, the fact is that there should be the liquidity for it, and you need to think about why there isn't. The overcluttered MTT section surely has to be a part of the reason for that.

Idk if time tournaments have had that big an effect but a lot needs to be done to make it easier for new players to understand the game types on offer and to find them. FTP had a wizard style interface that would ask questions about what the player was looking for. Pokerstars client is very very intimidating and confusing for new players and many of them never leave the default MTT lobby or whatever.

Higher stakes non turbo 180's.
Add a level where the bb is 80 in 180's. 50 --> 100 is pretty steep
Players should be able to deal amongst themselves like it was on FTP.

+1 to antes at an earlier level.

+1 to what TeamTrousers said

ok everyone wants 180 rebuy...
Next....

27 man turbo's, they run on pokerstars.it so i dont see why they wont on pokerstars.com.
anyonelse who wants these?

+1

Stars.it don't have 18s or 45s. That said I'd still like 27m turbos but really don't think it will happen.

Id like a 1r turbo 180 or a 7-10r but won't go on about this as it has been discussed at length.

The key problem is the state of the Stars client. I used to play 45s on FTP and one of the main reasons I was reluctant to move to stars when I was bad was because the client was absolutely ridiculous.

Ive just turned off filters in my SNG lobby and its an absolute joke tbh. I don't know what the default column used to sort is but mine is on buy-in and the first thing is "1 FPP+R Hyper (6) SUNDAY STORM SAT RUNNING 300" half of that in blue bold writing. A new player is not going to have a clue what "FPP" "+R" "a white 6 in a green circle" "sunday storm" or even "sat" means lol.

Why not have a user friendly interface like FTP got towards the end? It asks whether you want to play for cash or points, then just say 9,18,27,45,90,180,360 and you click through and then it gives you a list of available games?

Ive probably made it sound complicated a graphical representaiton would help. Sorry if this has been discussed and similar suggested I havent read the entire thread. For example, the $7r 90 man, most people don't know about it because the interface is so cluttered.

In that new system you could even highlight new game types. So when people were going through the graphical interface on the big clean box for 90s it could have written under it "NEW $7 Rebuy!" or w/e to highlight any changes.

Also please add a level between 1000/2000 and 1500/3000 in 180s <3

Oh and I can't explain the horror I feel at the thought of zoom 180s taking all the casual players away from 180s please please never do this

Cliffs:

Problem: Highly cluttered and confusing SNG interface is not user friendly and will surely confuse and put off new players. Imo full tilt was vastly superior to stars in this area.

Solution: Complete revamp of the Stars client in all areas not just SNGs to make it user friendly and have a modern graphical interface within which you could even advertise or highlight new games youve added, such as the 90man 7r

PLSPLSPLS! huge +1 to this.