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Old 02-14-2012, 05:05 AM   #26
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Re: *** OFFICIAL PokerStars MTTSNG Suggestion Thread ***

yess please higher Buyin for 180 rebuys like
5r
8r
11r

and +1 for leaderboards as well

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Old 02-14-2012, 05:12 AM   #27
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Leaderboards for 45s and 180s sounds great.

Also add just one more regspeed 45man. Like 15$. The highest currently is 6$ if u wanna play regspeed.
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Old 02-14-2012, 05:17 AM   #28
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1r 180s
7-8r 180s

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cut 8s, replace with 5s, as well as 8 rebuys. that makes abi scale 2.5 - 5 - 10 - 15 - 24 - 35 instead of 2.5 - 8 - 10 - 15 - 35


Also, seperate leaderboard for MTTSNGs, cause 180s can't compete for MTT leaderboard
Agree...the jump from 2.5 to 8 is huge and the jump from 15 to 35...there should be a gradual scale up
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Old 02-14-2012, 07:48 AM   #29
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Re: *** OFFICIAL PokerStars MTTSNG Suggestion Thread ***

Having too many levels of buyins would be bad for 180's in general.

Turbo 27's would be a terrible idea unless you're scrapping either 18's or 45's and both are popular.

Huge +1 for 180 leaderboard.
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Old 02-14-2012, 08:13 AM   #30
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Re: *** OFFICIAL PokerStars MTTSNG Suggestion Thread ***

180 man leaderboard is pretty much a necessity. Possibly merging it with the 45s in some way would be the best way to go about it.

I think that a 7r/8r would be awesome because it is appealing to both regs and recs due to its low initial BI, for the recs, and the high yield for the regs. If an 8r was employed then perhaps changing the 8s to a 6.50 would be the best option so there aren't any overlaps in the BI's and it would lead to a smoother spread of BI's in general. If a 7r was used then there wouldn't be a need for changing of any other BI's.

Higher BI's i personally don't think are high on the list of things to introduce for 180s, purely because the $35s don't run all that often as it is. But i can certainly see how they could lead to softening the lower BI's if they got enough volume, which again is something that will benefit the recs more and keep the games ticking over.
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Old 02-14-2012, 08:32 AM   #31
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Re: *** OFFICIAL PokerStars MTTSNG Suggestion Thread ***

A higher 45man buyin, I would suggest $60 as there are 18mans at this buyin which would fit in with the uniformity in buyins that was introduced last year. This game would definitely run, during peak times and especially on Sundays. They would draw in players SNE chasing for sure as well as mtt players, to add to the 45man player pool.

+1 to a leaderboard/extra incentive for mttsng players. 45man players in particular get NO incentive at all, that ALL other tournament formats somewhat benefit from. It is very hard to even make the freeroll monthly tlb from purely playing 45's.
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Old 02-14-2012, 09:51 AM   #32
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Re: *** OFFICIAL PokerStars MTTSNG Suggestion Thread ***

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Before i get excited about this thread i would like to see a post from PS Walmsley to at least say that he's reading and what input hes going to bring from suggestions / concerns.

at least the thread is started now
I am reading

I just wanted to allow a day or two for players to post before I jumped in.

I'll do my best to address the various concerns and suggestions raised in the thread. I can already see there are some interesting topics for discussion. Sometimes the response may be "Sorry, we can't do that" but I hope players will prefer that response to none at all.
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Old 02-14-2012, 10:01 AM   #33
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45man hyper
This sounds awsome, make it atleast a $5 tho
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Old 02-14-2012, 11:16 AM   #34
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This sounds awsome, make it atleast a $5 tho
45 man hypers would be awesome. Maybe at the same price point as 180s or 45s. Used to love them at FTP.
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Old 02-14-2012, 11:46 AM   #35
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Re: *** OFFICIAL PokerStars MTTSNG Suggestion Thread ***

I think there is a definite demand for a speed between hyper and turbo. Lets call this faster turbo.

3 min levels, 1500 chips, latereg open first 4 levels, antes start at 50/100
30, 40, 60, 80, 100,
120, 160, 200, 250, 300,
400, 600, 800, 1000, 1200,
1600, 2000, 2400, 3000, 4000
5000, 6000, 8000, 10000, 12000

Tourney starts when 120 people register (6/9 people at each table). Other 60 seats can be lateregged. This will improve turnaround dramatically because once people see the sng has started they will buyin immediately.

You can even make this a "chance" -- let people rebuy if they bust before level 5.

I also think $9.40 + 0.60 is the right pricepoint for rake for these, especially if it is a chance tournament. Call these $10 - [2x-Chance] Special 180 in the lobby. In description mention its special faster structure.
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Old 02-14-2012, 11:51 AM   #36
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Re: *** OFFICIAL PokerStars MTTSNG Suggestion Thread ***

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Old 02-14-2012, 12:18 PM   #37
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The NLO8 18 man turbo SNGs have been incredibly popular. However, they currently only exist at the following levels:
$1.50
$3.50
$7.00
$15.00

The $3.50s are byfar away the most popular, but believe it or not, the $15s come a close second during peak hours - they are MORE popular than the $7.00s. Is there any chance of adding higher levels for these games? A $30 and $60 version would be very attractive to some cash game players that might consider $15 "too small".

Additionally, there has been suggestions of adding different variations of the game. Someone suggested more 27-man and 45-mans, perhaps at the $3.50, $7.00 or $15 levels. This would be a complement to the regular 18 mans and would attract some NLHoldem 45 man players to give the game a shot.
As the mods have asked for SNG with two tables or less to be handled in the STT Suggestions threads, I have posted a response there.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...0&postcount=30

I will mention however that there is now a $30 NLO8 18 man turbo SNG in the lobby.
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Old 02-14-2012, 12:21 PM   #38
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Re: *** OFFICIAL PokerStars MTTSNG Suggestion Thread ***

What about Battle of the planets for MTTSNGS?
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Old 02-14-2012, 12:56 PM   #39
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Re: *** OFFICIAL PokerStars MTTSNG Suggestion Thread ***

Basically change all 45/180 mttsng's back to how they were before the upgrade/BF/etc also add a $6/8 180 turbo rebuy to that and the world will be a better place.
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Old 02-14-2012, 01:09 PM   #40
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Re: *** OFFICIAL PokerStars MTTSNG Suggestion Thread ***

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I am reading

I just wanted to allow a day or two for players to post before I jumped in.

I'll do my best to address the various concerns and suggestions raised in the thread. I can already see there are some interesting topics for discussion. Sometimes the response may be "Sorry, we can't do that" but I hope players will prefer that response to none at all.
great!

even if the response is "Sorry, we can't do that" a quick explanation to why is appreciated

thanks for taking the time to do this
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Old 02-14-2012, 01:11 PM   #41
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Re: *** OFFICIAL PokerStars MTTSNG Suggestion Thread ***

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Basically change all 45/180 mttsng's back to how they were before the upgrade/BF/etc also add a $6/8 180 turbo rebuy to that and the world will be a better place.
what were the buyins/speeds then? wasn't playing at that time.
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Old 02-14-2012, 01:41 PM   #42
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dont add 5 usd because that may cause traffic problems, i remember about 8 months ago when you added a lot of buyins and traffic was really slow.

I would love 180man hyperturbo with a higher buyin (something like 5-10usd hyperturbo 180man) would be very +ev for my hourly and for small lenght sessions.
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Old 02-14-2012, 02:22 PM   #43
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Re: *** OFFICIAL PokerStars MTTSNG Suggestion Thread ***

in the 180men reg-thread someone asked to introduce a new blindlevel some time ago.

the step from 1k/2k to 1.5k/3k is indeed a little too big. adding a level in between would be nice imo, what do you guys think?

also HUGE +1 to MTTSNG Leaderboard
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Old 02-14-2012, 02:37 PM   #44
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what were the buyins/speeds then? wasn't playing at that time.
Buyins changed on 6th May 2011 when Stars had a big shake-up of their whole SNG offering — there was an interim period of a few days with some really weird buyins, but that didn't last.

old 180s
turbo - $2+0.20, $7+0.70, $11+1, $33+3
regular - $4+0.40, $10+1, $20+2 (11s went off only 1 or 2 times per day, 22s basically never happened)
turbo rebuy - $3+0.30

and iirc

old 45s
turbo - $1+0.10, $3+0.25, $6+0.50, $11+1, $25+2, $35+3, $55+5, and I think $105+9 (60s were quite rare, 114s pretty much never)
regular - can't remember tbh, but I think $1+0.20 and $5+0.50 and maybe some bigger ones
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Old 02-14-2012, 03:20 PM   #45
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1r would be the NUTS,,,
also huge gaps in the 2.5-8-15-35 system..
would say 2.5-6-11(or12)-25-50(really few care about high stakes mttsngs) ,, there is only an additional buy in(5 i of 4),,so no prob with traffic
lots of players are scared to move higher due to these huge gaps,,
think this change works for both stars and players,,

and most important(rake reduction or (better for you) reward boost) games are dying so give th players some extra motivation,,
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Old 02-14-2012, 05:59 PM   #46
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I think the 15 second timebank for all turbos should be reduced. Right now with the vast amount of regs mass tabling and using table ninja on timebanks I feel the game has never been slower. Playing a few tables of this is unbearable waiting in the first blind level for a minute for 7 people to autofold, a casual player will get bored of this quickly.

Even a 2-3 second timebank reduction will increase the speed of the game, make it more exciting for everyone, and make 30+ tabling profitable only for the games finest (good players edge will increase.)
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Old 02-14-2012, 07:16 PM   #47
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I think the 15 second timebank for all turbos should be reduced. Right now with the vast amount of regs mass tabling and using table ninja on timebanks I feel the game has never been slower. Playing a few tables of this is unbearable waiting in the first blind level for a minute for 7 people to autofold, a casual player will get bored of this quickly.

Even a 2-3 second timebank reduction will increase the speed of the game, make it more exciting for everyone, and make 30+ tabling profitable only for the games finest (good players edge will increase.)
While I agree on games being extremely slow which leads to fish losing motivation/interest, I disagree on reducing the timebanks for all players. I think the upcoming individual table restrictions Steve (or Stefan) mentioned the other day will be a better solution. In case this is going to happen in not too far future there's no need to touch the timebanks at all.

Btw Walmsley, are there any plans on ZOOM 180s, or ZOOM SNG/MTT in general, or will ZOOM be restricted to Cashgames only?

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Old 02-14-2012, 07:57 PM   #48
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-180man leadeboards /battlepalents including 18+45+90mans
-8s rebuys yammy yam

thats all i want
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Old 02-14-2012, 08:28 PM   #49
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+3.50 BOP

11r!!!

All mtt players will play

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Old 02-15-2012, 05:00 AM   #50
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While I agree on games being extremely slow which leads to fish losing motivation/interest, I disagree on reducing the timebanks for all players. I think the upcoming individual table restrictions Steve (or Stefan) mentioned the other day will be a better solution. In case this is going to happen in not too far future there's no need to touch the timebanks at all.
"Individual table restrictions"? Cliffs? Or link to op?
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