I actually really like the new SKO layout, especially those "sit and KOs". Not sure if they ever had them before, but they're really fun! I tried one today. And those animations add a bit of excitement and innovation to the new format. If anything, it will at least draw in recreational players.

yes thats a joke

I guess it was planned as 1st April joke.

+1 to more psko turbo sngs (not these rake-rape-trap 36m hypers with 20% rake )

I've raked about 17-18k lifetime @ sngs on stars (2.5 yr period while taking large breaks) on top of raking an additional 30-35k playing mtts and cash. (5 yr period)

I would easily rake another 10k a year if 180s were made psko rather than give my business to your competitors.

more psko turbo and regular speed sng . These hypers is a clean roulette. what skills in this to go any hand all in ? wtf pokestars killing poker whit these hypers 10 bb fist stak you serious ?

So what are the thoughts now of the 3.50 rebuys with the rake on rebuys? Best to not rebuy at all at the start? I noticed ton of regs do not double rebuy at the start.


Also is there a reason why the 15s load so slow? And why the 35s rarely go at all? I mean... is there really not enough players to want to play the 15s? 15s are still considered low stakes. Is there a reason why mtt regs rarely play these?


I'm also wondering how many players here actually play the 180 mans full time? Is it a lot or just very few.

They have high rake, so very low edges (the structure is very fast). The regs only play them when they have nothing left to play. The decrease of 3+ is also a factor.

Call me optimistic but...since now PS is raking rake and $8/$15/$35 Turbos 180s dont have good traffic in compaission to $3r can we trade them for a $11r Turbo 180s now?

Hello all,

We have just made the following changes to our MTT SNGs:

Removed:

• $30 45-player 9-max Turbo
• $6 45-player 6-max Regular Speed
• $35 180-player 9-max Turbo
• $60 90-player 9-max Turbo

Neither of these tournaments ran very often, so it didn't really make sense to keep them.

Added:

• $30 45-player 9-max Hyper Progressive KO
• $30 180-Player 9-Max Turbo Progressive PKO

The 45-player hyper will start at 100BBs.

We also strongly considered adding another rebuy tournament in the $10-$15 range, but felt that it would compete too much with other tournaments that are currently running a decent amount.

Thanks,
Baard

What about all the 1 dollar 36 man hyper super ko, 3 dollar 24 and so on? Are they there to stay or are you just trying out what works best?

Hard to start grinding not knowing if you will have them 2morrow as well

These tournaments are highly likely to be part of the permanent offering for the foreseeable future.

Thanks,
Baard

Hi Baard !

Do you think it's normal that rake in 18 players $25 SKO is the twice the rake in the 6 players $25 SKO ?

Oh and the 18 players starts with 10BB while the 6 players starts with 25BB.

2.5x higher blinds, 2x the rake.

And why dont you make these MTT progressive KO tournaments ? No reason why 1st prize = 2nd prize if it's not a progressive KO. Very often the 2nd place even the 3rd place wins more than the 1st place with these payouts.

Man this is insane!! What's with the ******ed 18man payouts tho? Make zero sense at all why can't they just be the same as other 18's just as yo've done with the 45/180s?

And you've made the bigger field games the higher buy-ins therefore even less likely to run ever? 45/180m needs to be in the affordable range

Looks like decent additions compared to the terrible mttsng offers you have added lately.

for a minute there I thought the 180 was hyper so really you've actually brought the buy-in down a 5er but added KO's. meh w/e. still think the hypers 18's which aren't mentioned in your post here have weird af payouts

The whole system's one massive screw up iyam.

re the $30 180m, now I've had time to pick myself back up off the floor at all this crayness, it's basically the exact same payout as the £15 180 but with Ko's in there. meh, doesn't look good to a rec imo. This entire revision going completely mad for KNOCKOUT tournaments (for what reason is beyond me), is just making lobbies even more of a mass confusion to any rec deciding what to play. The $35 180 should've been replaced with a cheaper rebuy 180 that ends up with the same prize pool roughly that the $35 had. Then they would run more as recs can get in cheaper with one buy-in and so on. So the buy-in for said 180 rebuy should be like $10. That would be perfect imo. A nice simple easy $10 rebuy 180, **** off the bounty bull**** aswell.

Hi Baard! Stars recently announced that mtt hypers were being increased from 2% rake to a whopping 5%, but some of the new 36-man KO hypers appear to have accidentally been given 14% rake. Presumably this was an innocent mistake, so it'd be great if you could correct this oversight.


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This has to be a mistake right?

wtf? since when do hypers have more rake than turbos ?

As long as there´s also a $8 and a $15 Turbo 180s running this $30 180-Player 9-Max Turbo Progressive PKO wont run, people have been asking for quite some time now a $11r Turbo 180 and now since you´re raking rebuys and addons and always giving a "liquidy issue" (which is ironic actually) for not offering a higher rebuy turbo 180 buyin, just get rid off the $8, $15 and this new $30 Turbo 180s and just offer a $11r Turbo 180s or make it a SPKO too something like $5.25+$5.25+$0.50, at least try it out for a week or something or just on sundays.

there's enough bounty bull**** as it is I don't see the attraction whatsoever.

+1 It's like they're lurching around desperately from idea to idea.

I think the reasoning behind such a difference is that there's supposed to be much more play in an 18-man than in a 6-man considering that there's almost always an all-in race in the first hand of an SKO and it often involves >2 players; if everyone went all-in in the first hand, an 18-man SKO would be like a flipout to a 3-max final battle which would have somewhat deeper stacks than a Spin & Go - up to 60 bb but with antes, equivalent to 43 bb without antes.

I do appreciate the low rake in the new $30 hyper 45-mans, the problem is that they're hardly going to run, not more than one at a time.

imo

Yes, exactly, LostOstrich! Stars tend to set the prices very high lately; well, the sales revenue is the price times the number of buyers, and they think the number of customers won't decrease that much with the rake increase

As far as I understand, the big point is that the winner automatically receives two bounties (on his own and the runner-up's heads), so the top 3 place finishers always get a bit over 4, 3 and 2 buy-ins, respectively. This structure is somewhat flatter than the usual 50/30/20 payouts of 9-mans, but one of its peculiarities is that it makes the play in the first hand of the SnG a bit tighter and less trivial (players have to consider a heavy bubble effect in addition to the bounties).

As you might recall, there was a discussion about making the 1st and 2nd place payouts equal in PSKO 90-mans some time ago; well, the payouts of these 18-mans are an echo of that discussion, a bit too radical a payout adjustment imo, because the ratio of the bounties on the players at the FT to the regular prize pool is not as big here as in PSKOs, but still, the FTs of the 18-man SKOs are not too boring.