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[Aliquantum]

Originally Posted by OMGClayDol

Mango, yours look ok although I just call flop usually.

Ali your hand is fine/pretty standard, if you have reads that he is snapping you really wide then bubble could mean it's a "close" fold (or raise/fold, I doubt most people are capable of reshipping too wide here, even a reg like you say). Ignoring the bubble it's going to be more +EV vs. a lot of people to just open here, rather than to shove which is definitely +EV too

Ty! I'm really working hard on being more aggressive in BvB or CO/BTN opening situations... just want to make sure I'm not stepping over the line.

[MangoBall]

OmgClayDol, Hey just checking up on a few things about the Final table and ICM that I don't think u mentioned in the top 0.56% (which btw is very nicely done and in depth )

Im playing turbo 45mans atm at the 1.5$ level, so not many 'regs' play at these small stakes i think

Payouts are:
1st: 19$
2nd:13.15$
3rd: 10.09$
4th: 7.65$

I noticed the jump from 2nd to 1st is even bigger than 4th to 2nd so considering this...

Im wondering if in the final 4. folded to on the SB, you should Jam any two if everyone on the table has about 10BBish including Hero.

Also would this change if one stack is about 5ish BB deep and the rest are still 10BB



And does anything change going to 3 handed, 10 BB everyone, folded to on the SB.

and then to heads-up
I used to play heaps of HUSNG Im wondering if nash equil / SAGE is effective to use here


Thanks and soz for the long Question :P

[kcim]

180s. Is this a shove normally?

Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10757062

MP2: 4,029 (13.4 bb)
MP3: 4,365 (14.6 bb)
CO: 2,595 (8.7 bb)
BTN: 3,236 (10.8 bb)
SB: 3,260 (10.9 bb)
BB: 2,935 (9.8 bb)
UTG+1: 2,580 (8.6 bb)
UTG+2: 7,948 (26.5 bb)
Hero (MP1): 3,335 (11.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 7 A
2 folds, Hero raises to 3,310 and is all-in, 2 folds, CO calls 2,570 and is all-in, 3 folds

Flop: (5,815) K 2 Q (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: (5,815) A (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (5,815) J (2 players, 2 are all-in)

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[OMGClayDol]

Originally Posted by kcim

180s. Is this a shove normally?

Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10757062

MP2: 4,029 (13.4 bb)
MP3: 4,365 (14.6 bb)
CO: 2,595 (8.7 bb)
BTN: 3,236 (10.8 bb)
SB: 3,260 (10.9 bb)
BB: 2,935 (9.8 bb)
UTG+1: 2,580 (8.6 bb)
UTG+2: 7,948 (26.5 bb)
Hero (MP1): 3,335 (11.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 7 A
2 folds, Hero raises to 3,310 and is all-in, 2 folds, CO calls 2,570 and is all-in, 3 folds

Flop: (5,815) K 2 Q (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: (5,815) A (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (5,815) J (2 players, 2 are all-in)

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Yeah usually this is a shove, get SNG wiz if you don't have it and play around with it for these kind of spots.

[OMGClayDol]

Originally Posted by MangoBall

OmgClayDol, Hey just checking up on a few things about the Final table and ICM that I don't think u mentioned in the top 0.56% (which btw is very nicely done and in depth )

Im playing turbo 45mans atm at the 1.5$ level, so not many 'regs' play at these small stakes i think

Payouts are:
1st: 19$
2nd:13.15$
3rd: 10.09$
4th: 7.65$

I noticed the jump from 2nd to 1st is even bigger than 4th to 2nd so considering this...

Im wondering if in the final 4. folded to on the SB, you should Jam any two if everyone on the table has about 10BBish including Hero.

Also would this change if one stack is about 5ish BB deep and the rest are still 10BB



And does anything change going to 3 handed, 10 BB everyone, folded to on the SB.

and then to heads-up
I used to play heaps of HUSNG Im wondering if nash equil / SAGE is effective to use here


Thanks and soz for the long Question :P

Not an ICM expert especially for 45 structure so maybe others could help you more with such a question. Basically also going to recommend you get SNG Wiz (they have a free trial for 30 days) and the investment will definitely be worth it in the long run if you use it correctly
For the ATC question, vs. many people; no. It really depends entirely on the villains calling range, sometimes in spots where they SHOULD be calling really tight because of the pay jumps and ICM, they won't - because they simply don't know better. Therefore the best range for us to shove is going to depend completely on villain's calling range, and you'll have to use SNG wiz to see what range to shove vs. different calling ranges. - Don't just estimate a calling range in a spot and see what to shove vs. that, change that calling range and see how it affects our shoving range!

If one stack is 5BB deep then ICM implications become heavier, so in theory the other guy SHOULD be calling even tighter, that being said it's the same answer as above. If villain is bad/calling too wide then shoving ATC is suicidal as when we get called and lose, we lose just as much equity as villain does when he calls and lose..

3 handed does change because the payout structure is different, again no specific/general rules but SNG wiz will help if you play around with the ranges there.

Heads up, those kind of strategies are maybe okay as defaults especially when you are kind of just learning or whatever but in the long run they are almost never going to the most profitable strategies. For example nash is only going to be the most +EV strategy if villain is also playing nash, which is rare. If they aren't then again SNG Wiz will be able to help you there
Also, more than say 12 BBs or so, heads up you should be opening rather than just jam/fold vs. most villains anyway.

Sorry for recommending Wiz that much but basically not much else will help for those specific type of situations and spots.
Gl man

[MangoBall]

Ty for response one more.
Preantes, how many effective BB do u think approx will be profitable to shove A2-A6
Also for post antes, do u think extending frmo 10Bb to 15BB with any ace on button is profitable?

[OMGClayDol]

Depends on the position for the first, early I'd almost never shove Ace rag unless maybe I have like 3 BB or something

Post antes, yes, unless maybe in final table spots then yes although sometimes just raising, especially vs. random/non regulars is often more profitable (and sometimes folding sometimes calling depending who reshoves, their stack size etc)

[dmindoh]

Can you reach top1000 in the TLB by playing 45s? Does the stakes matter?

[balls'n'all]

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (800/1,600 blinds, 150 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players


MP2: 23,391 (14.6 bb)
MP3: 18,442 (11.5 bb)
CO: 12,600 (7.9 bb)
BTN: 31,112 (19.4 bb)
SB: 27,090 (16.9 bb)
BB: 18,016 (11.3 bb)
Hero (MP1): 11,185 (7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 5 K:diamond ?

Btn is a breakeven reg over 2000 games. Rest are randoms. Can we fold and let the blinds pass us or should we take a shove to preserve more FE ?

[microdot]

I shove here, we need a bigger stack quick and once the blinds hit anyone will call us. We still have a chance to fold out most people who don't want to risk >50% their stack with only 7 people left.

[phos77]

$7 turbo MTT

Poker Stars, $7 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 40 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10771192

MP3: 4,345 (14.5 bb)
CO: 1,748 (5.8 bb)
BTN: 3,512 (11.7 bb)
SB: 1,566 (5.2 bb)
BB: 3,155 (10.5 bb)
UTG+1: 5,563 (18.5 bb)
UTG+2: 7,080 (23.6 bb)
Hero (MP1): 2,150 (7.2 bb)
MP2: 340 (1.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q 3
2 folds, Hero raises to 2,110 and is all-in

[omaha8grinding]

NOTE $0.10 360 turbo MTTSNG

Poker Stars, $0.09 Buy-in (2,500/5,000 blinds, 500 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10775332

MP: 108,932 (21.8 bb)
CO: 27,197 (5.4 bb)
Hero (BTN): 45,355 (9.1 bb)
SB: 33,575 (6.7 bb)
BB: 5,526 (1.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q 9
2 folds, Hero raises to 44,855 and is all-in, SB calls 30,575 and is all-in, BB folds

Flop: (73,650) J 2 J (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: (73,650) 4 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (73,650) 5 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

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11 players left. BB is guy who has been folding a lot of hands even if 1k chips left but managed to double up twice. SB plays tight. Standard push? or playing too loose?

[BAEVentures]

Omaha8grinding: Standard shove spot. Range should look something like 22+A2+K5+K2s+Q9+Q4s+J9+J6s+T9+98+T6s+96s+85s+75s+6 4s+54s

[phos77]

$3r/180 FT

if this is a fold what's your calling range?

also, if it's a fold, would it be a call with 40 players left?


Poker Stars, $3.19 Buy-in (6,000/12,000 blinds, 1,200 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10776672

MP1: 89,834 (7.5 bb)
MP2: 163,226 (13.6 bb)
MP3: 116,047 (9.7 bb)
CO: 85,818 (7.2 bb)
BTN: 235,854 (19.7 bb)
SB: 149,660 (12.5 bb)
Hero (BB): 45,561 (3.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2 9
MP1 raises to 88,634 and is all-in, 5 folds, Hero calls 32,361 and is all-in

[AcidManner]

^
fold, he shoves pretty tight here

i call 66+,AJo+,ATs+,KQs+

and this is still behind his range